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Re: [RSS-DEV] Poll/vote proposal: YahooGroups / RSS 1.0 namespace PURL -> w3.org

From: Rael Dornfest <rael@oreilly.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 13:43:41 -0800
To: <rss-dev@yahoogroups.com>
CC: <em@w3.org>, <www-archive@w3.org>, <libby.miller@bristol.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <B861F98D.47ED%rael@oreilly.com>
I second the poll.  Go ahead and create one, Danbri.

Another thought... Should we consider moving everything but our mailing list
conversation over to a Weblog hosted somewhere?  I've been using
MoveableType [http://www.moveabletype.org] for some time for my own Weblogs
and it's feature rich: discussion, file upload, multiple
authors/administrators, RSS feeds, and so forth.

If someone volunteers to host it (it's a couple-three Perl scripts) I'll be
glad, as chair, to act as one of the editors/admins.  There should also be a
few more folks from the WG who'd edit/admin.

Rael

On 1/9/02 1:18 PM, "Dan Brickley" <daniel.brickley@bristol.ac.uk> sayeth:

> 
> RSS 1.0 WG,
> 
> The Yahoogroups web service, to which the PURL for the RSS 1.0 namespace
> URI, http://purl.org/rss/1.0/ currently redirects, now requires cookies.
> This makes it tricky for the XHTML/RDDL/RDFSchema document at that URI to
> be dereferenced by automated tools.
> 
> I copy below a quick sanity-check exchange w/ Rael. I have mirrored our
> namespace document at w3.org so that it is accessible without cookies. I
> propose that we reconfigure the PURL server to point to this URI instead
> of to yahoogroups, at least for the main RSS 1.0 URI. I'll propose a poll
> to that effect once we've had time to discuss any possible complications
> or alternatives. If the poll is positive, we can take it to a WG vote.
> 
> http://www.w3.org/2002/01/rss/rss1_namespace
> 
> I'll keep this sync'd with any changes to the master copy which currently
> resides on www.yahoogroups.com. I'm happy to host such RSS-related docs at
> W3C (loosly under the RDF Interest Group banner, ie. this isn't about
> going standards-track at W3C). However at W3C we don't yet have the kind
> of easy file-sharing tools offered by Yahoo, and I'm wary of creating a
> bottleneck for the kind of collaboration we've achieved through the use
> of Yahoo's (advertisement-strewn) Web services. We do however take URI
> longevity pretty seriously, so I'm happy to offer the WG
> http://www.w3.org/2002/01/rss/rss1_namespace as a URI that
> http://purl.org/rss/1.0/ might redirect to, or that tool developers might
> make use of.
> 
> We could probably copy a bunch of the other docs from the WG filespace on
> yahoogroups to W3C (eg. the modules), and it may be that the workings of
> the PURL server might require this for PURLs that begin with the same URI;
> I'd need to check.  Perhaps someone more familiar with the PURL service
> could comment? (EricM?)
> 
> So I propose a poll (and then vote), with draft text as follows:
> 
> (hmm, I've not done one of these before. sorry if this sounds po-faced!)
> 
> [[
> The RSS 1.0 WG accepts the offer to host some or all of the RSS 1.0 PURL
> redirections on the W3C's Web site. This constitutes an informal collaboration
> between the RSS 1.0 WG and the W3C RDF / Semantic Web Interest Group; the
> continued management of the RSS 1.0 specification and associated
> extensions remains with the RSS 1.0 Working Group. The motivation for this
> collaboration is to offer cookie and advert-free access to key RSS 1.0
> documents for the Web community and their automated tools and services.
> The WG also notes that the proposed PURL change is not final, and that
> the RSS 1.0 PURLs can be redirected elsewhere in the future.
> 
> Proposed redirection changes:
> 
> PURL:         http://purl.org/rss/1.0/
> Current:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-dev/files/namespace.html
> Proposed:    http://www.w3.org/2002/01/rss/rss1_namespace
> 
> Other PURL redirections: to be discussed/proposed?? (in this poll/vote??
> or subsequently?? I suggest "at the discretion of the WG chair", ie. leave
> this decision to the chair rather than vote on each/every doc URI).
> 
> ]]
> (end of draft poll/vote text)
> 
> I'm hoping this should be reasonably uncontroversial, and that we can get
> our PURL working again asap. If I've misjudged and this looks like a
> clumsy yet sinister W3C takover attempt, or if others rush forward
> offering to host the doc(s), maybe it'll take longer.
> 
> Comments to the list please; I'll see what folks think and refine and
> initiate a poll over the next few days. I'll ping the RDF Interest Group
> list too once RSS-DEV has had a digest the proposal.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 


Rael

Rael Dornfest
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