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RE: email annotation

From: Laurent Denoue <Denoue@fxpal.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:53:53 -0700
Message-ID: <53FD1D7F63772A4A810338B9388D38230DB98F@pobox.fxpal.com>
To: "Charles McCathieNevile" <charles@w3.org>
Cc: <www-annotation@w3.org>

I share your concerns about different and incompatible annotation systems.
But I think that the W3C is doing a good job with their Annotea prototypes.
Furthermore, with XML and RDF it becomes easier to modify our own annotation systems
to talk to other systems.

When I asked about what kind of services you would like added on top of the basic annotation system,
I hadn't thought about threading and authentication.

This is mainly because I currently stay in scenarios where people create personal annotations.
I know that the Internet lets us easily share all these annotations, but for now I am more interested in supporting individuals. The approach I try is:
- first build a system useful to the individual so that it gets used
- then see what I can do with the generated data for a group of people

So when I asked about services on top of annotation systems, I thought about
- automatic classification
- easier retrieval
- ...

using the annotations you did on documents (e.g. web pages and emails).

If people have ideas, please let me know!
Laurent.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 7:37 AM
> To: Laurent Denoue
> Cc: www-annotation@w3.org
> Subject: RE: email annotation
> 
> 
> Well, for most mail (but not Yahoo I suspect) the msgid is 
> readily available
> and can be used in existing systems. This provides 
> interoperability with
> other annotation tools - there is nothing more frustrating 
> than having two
> different and incompatible annotation systems.
> 
> A hash over the page has some advantages - you know if 
> something has changed.
> On the other hand that makes it difficult to maintain 
> annotations when a page
> changes - although this happens less often with mail messages 
> (very few
> people edit their archived email) it is important for a 
> system that works for
> both web pages and email in the same way.
> 
> I would need to see some real benefit over existing free 
> systems before I
> would pay for such a tool (well, before I would pay more than 
> shareware
> prices anyway). I am not sure what I would like to see on top 
> of it - the
> sort of things that I would like on top of web annotations - 
> threading,
> authentication, a powerful access control system so I could 
> let certain
> people annotate or give access to certain messages or annotations, ...
> 
> cheers
> 
> Chaals
> 
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Laurent Denoue wrote:
> 
> >Salut Charles,
> >
> >It's a good idea to use archives since we can leverage 
> existing Web annotation systems.
> >In fact, this would also work for Web-based email clients 
> like Yahoo!Mail.
> >
> >I developped a prototype in the spirit of Yawas: a very 
> light tool to highlight
> >outlook emails in your inbox. Sorry: only Outlook, only 
> Windows :( but it's good to test ideas out.
> >
> >It does not modify the original messages of course: it 
> simply dynamically highlights them when
> >the user previews them in outlook.
> >
> >To solve the problem of keys for documents, I currently use 
> a signature of each email.
> >It is computed by simply summing all characters in the 
> email. It has been working very well for the last 2 months on 
> my emails.
> >
> >Using a signature of the CONTENT itself is very robust: if 
> you move your email to a different folder, the program is 
> still able to dynamically remap the annotations.
> >
> >Quick poll 1: Would anybody pay for such a tool?
> >Quick poll 2: What services would you like plugged on top of it?
> >
> >Laurent.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
> >> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 5:43 AM
> >> To: Laurent Denoue
> >> Cc: www-annotation@w3.org
> >> Subject: Re: email annotation
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, at W3C we archive our email lists on the Web. This 
> means you can
> >> annotate those. You could also annotate by the message id
> >> that each email
> >> has.
> >>
> >> Although we can use that as a key into our archive, as far 
> as I know
> >> there is no reliable way of finding an email mesage that was
> >> sent based on
> >> its message-id (happily enough, since most email is
> >> personal). But I don't
> >> think that's really a problem for most use cases - if you
> >> take an annotea
> >> approach then anyone who has the email can find the id in the
> >> header and
> >> query for an annotation - usually that means the sender and
> >> recipient(s).
> >>
> >> cheers
> >>
> >> Chaals
> >>
> >> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Laurent Denoue wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hello,
> >> >
> >> >Does anybody know of a program to annotate emails?
> >> >Web annotations systems are popular, but emails are also a
> >> very big source of online reading so it would make sense to
> >> have such a tool.
> >> >
> >> >Laurent.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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> -- 
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