- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:06:34 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: https://www.w3.org/2015/05/12-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
12 May 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/05/12-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa,
Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]WebEx switch over.
2. [5]ACTION-1279 (Joseph) Talk to mobile manufacturers
about including their APIs.
3. [6]ACTION-842: (Cynthia) Create a diagram to support
section 1.2 A11Y vs DOM tree.
4. [7]ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Mapping of aria-describedby
when element is not in a11y tree.
5. [8]ACTION-1309: (Cynthia, All?) Mapping for
aria-colindex and aria-rowindex.
6. [9]ACTION-1373/ISSUE-441: (Cynthia) Test case for when
aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly
on some but not all elements.
7. [10]ACTION-1409: (Joanie) Minimal/skeleton javascript
at-spi2 listener for automating the 1.1 tests.
8. [11]ACTION-1542: (Joanie) Verify the commit for
mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to Joseph.
9. [12]ACTION-1585: (Cynthia) Add content for UIA
features to (Jason's) section on AAPI differences.
10. [13]ACTION-1621: (Joseph) Ask Cynthia if UIA Express
will be abandoned, and do we want to keep the UIA
Express column in the mapping spec.
11. [14]ACTION-1620: (Cynthia) Propose UIA Express and UIA
mappings for aria-placeholder.
12. [15]ISSUE-708/ACTION-1608: (Cynthia) Bring up
issue-708 with the html-a11y taskforce.
13. [16]Actions that came due today
(https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23)
* [17]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 12 May 2015
<clown> agenda: this
<joanie_> scribe: joanie
<scribe> scribe: joanie
WebEx switch over.
JS: I just came back from vacation and had several messages
about WebEx.
... I'm still trying to figure out what it is.
... Has anyone used it yet?
RS: Yes.
JS: Is it easy?
RS: It was good for me, but other people had some issues.
JS: I propose we switch to WebEx for the next meeting. I'll try
to learn enough to run it by then.
JD: Janina sent an email to the list indicating we'd switch to
it for PF.
RS: I have an invitation for ARIA.
JS: I got one for AAPI from Michael.
... I can send out the particulars.
... Any objections?
BG: No.
... I use WebEx alot for work actually.
JS: I'll make sure I know enough to run it next week and send
out the appropriate information.
ACTION-1279 (Joseph) Talk to mobile manufacturers about including
their APIs.
<clown> action-1279?
<trackbot> action-1279 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Talk to
mobile manufacturers about how to include their apis -- due
2013-10-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1279
[18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1279
JS: This is my taking to Yura from Mozilla about Android
accessibility APIs.
<clown>
[19]https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/master/accessible
/jsat/Presentation.jsm#L237-L472
[19]
https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/master/accessible/jsat/Presentation.jsm#L237-L472
JS: I asked him if there was any formal documentation.
<clown>
[20]https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/master/accessible
/jsat/AccessFu.jsm#L575-L616
[20]
https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/master/accessible/jsat/AccessFu.jsm#L575-L616
JS: He said, "not yet" and pointed me to some code. (See two
links above.)
... I've not yet had a chance to look at it, but that is, as I
understand it, the beginnings of the mappings they are working
on.
... I reviewed all the emails in the discussion.
<clown>
[21]https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/WebAccessibilityAPI
[21] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/WebAccessibilityAPI
JS: Alex is working on a web-based accessibility API. (See the
URL above.)
... It looks like IA2 but for JavaScript.
CS: It sounds like we should invite him to discuss WAPA and
events and the other things we're working on.
... WebApps is where script-based accessibility is going to be
worked on.
... Will Alex be able to get to TPAC?
RS: I'm not sure. We can ask.
JS: Dominic I think has been discussing this with Alex.
CS: We need to invite everyone to join us in working with us.
JD: How do I get invited?
CS: Join WebApps
RS: We have ARIA 1.1, but we need to be able to do
customizations.
... We need to get to device independence. So we need an API
that supports that and also facilitates automated UI testing.
... Common infrastructure as much as possible under the covers.
... We need to work together to make that happen if we can get
everyone to play together.
CS: We can join whatever organization is working on the API
that Alex is doing.
RS: Isn't that Mozilla?
CS: Have you talked to anyone at Apple about this?
RS: Not yet.
... We need to establish a common API that shows up in the
browser, that is mirrored to at this some extent across the
platforms.
... The only way we're going to accomplish this is to have all
the stakeholders together, ideally face-to-face.
... I think we can do this effort in parallel with ARIA 1.1.
... I'll send a note out to the list.
JS: I'd suggest you cross-post to public-pfwg and wai-xtech.
ACTION-842: (Cynthia) Create a diagram to support section 1.2 A11Y vs
DOM tree.
<clown> action-842?
<trackbot> action-842 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a diagram to
support section 1.2 A11Y vs DOM tree -- due 2015-05-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/842
[22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/842
CS: I've postponed this.
ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Mapping of aria-describedby when element is
not in a11y tree.
<clown> action-1104?
<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the
accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies --
due 2015-04-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
CS: This one is still active.
... Give me to July 1st.
ACTION-1309: (Cynthia, All?) Mapping for aria-colindex and
aria-rowindex.
<clown> action-1309?
<trackbot> action-1309 -- Cynthia Shelly to Determine the best
place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for msaa+uiexpress
and uia. -- due 2015-04-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1309
[24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1309
CS: Same date, July 1st.
ACTION-1373/ISSUE-441: (Cynthia) Test case for when aria-posinset and
aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements.
<clown> action-1373?
<trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case
for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly
on some but not all elements. -- due 2015-05-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1373
ACTION-1409: (Joanie) Minimal/skeleton javascript at-spi2 listener
for automating the 1.1 tests.
<clown> action-1409?
<trackbot> action-1409 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Monitor progress
of bug against atk in gnome's bugzilla requesting new position,
level, and other api be added
([26]https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727453) -- due
2015-10-27 -- OPEN
[26] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727453)
<trackbot>
[27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1409
[27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1409
JD: I think for this particular action, we should see if
WebDriver will add the API we need, right?
CS: I think so, yes.
ACTION-1542: (Joanie) Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and
report the atk role to Joseph.
<clown> action-1542?
<trackbot> action-1542 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Verify the commit
for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph. --
due 2015-05-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1542
[28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1542
JD: I will ping Mozilla.
JS: So it will come up again next week.
JD: Fine.
ACTION-1585: (Cynthia) Add content for UIA features to (Jason's)
section on AAPI differences.
<clown> action-1585?
<trackbot> action-1585 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add to the section
on differences among aapis highlighting the features of uia. --
due 2015-04-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[29]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1585
[29] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1585
CS: Give me another week on this one. I just need to write a
couple of sentences for this one.
ACTION-1621: (Joseph) Ask Cynthia if UIA Express will be abandoned,
and do we want to keep the UIA Express column in the mapping spec.
<clown> action-1621?
<trackbot> action-1621 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Ask Cynthia if
UIA Express will be abandoned, and do we want to keep the UIA
Express column in the mapping spec. -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[30]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1621
[30] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1621
JS: This came up last time.
CS: I will look into this.
JS: I'll give myself another week.
ACTION-1620: (Cynthia) Propose UIA Express and UIA mappings for
aria-placeholder.
<clown> action-1620?
<trackbot> action-1620 -- Cynthia Shelly to Propose UIA Express
and UIA mappings for aria-placeholder. -- due 2015-04-28 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[31]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1620
[31] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1620
JS: We have suggested mappings for aria-placeholder for at
least ATK/AT-SPI and Apple's AX API.
<clown>
[32]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ar
iaPlaceholder
[32]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaPlaceholder
JS: It's at the above URL.
... ATK/AT-SPI is via object attribute.
... It looks like IA2 will do something similar.
... Apple has a placeholder property for this.
... I have taken a guess for UIA.
CS: Give me another week. I'll look at it.
JS: Whether or not it should be mapped to a name or not is
still under debate.
... Steve was willing to change the HTML mappings if we can get
buy-in from the user agents and screen readers.
CS: That seems reasonable.
ISSUE-708/ACTION-1608: (Cynthia) Bring up issue-708 with the
html-a11y taskforce.
<clown> issue-708?
<trackbot> issue-708 -- The phrase "If not already excluded
from the accessibility tree per the rules above" implies that
the listed conditions do not override. Is that correct? -- open
<trackbot> [33]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/708
[33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/708
<clown> action-1608?
<trackbot> action-1608 -- Cynthia Shelly to Bring up issue-708
with the html-a11y taskforce. -- due 2015-05-05 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[34]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1608
[34] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1608
CS: This is an easy one. Leave it as-is. I should be able to
get to it this week.
Actions that came due today
([35]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23)
[35] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23)
JS: I'm proposing we skip this last one because there's only a
minute left.
... Objections?
Group: No!
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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