- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:26:49 +0200
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[1]W3C
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Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
14 Jul 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/14-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa,
Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]ACTION-1625 (Joseph, All) Mappings for
aria-interactive property.
2. [5]ACTION-1322: (Jon, All) Examples for
aria-hidden="false", including live regions.
3. [6]ACTION-1541: (James) AXAPI mapping for aria-modal.
4. [7]ACTION-1535: (James) AXAPI mapping for
aria-current.
5. [8]ACTION-1608: (Cynthia) Bring up issue-708 with
html-a11y taskforce (conditions for inclusion within
a11y tree).
6. [9]Bugzilla-28816 (All) Some ARIA roles lacking
explicit a11y API role mappings.
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 14 July 2015
<clown> agenda: this
<clown> agneda+ ACTION-1625 (Joseph, All) Mappings for
aria-interactive property.
as the url just loaded in firefox and told me my browser wasn't
supported
me tries just the number
<clown> action-1160?
<trackbot> action-1160 -- Janina Sajka to Take at look at
MediaStream Recording
[11]http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-mediastream-recording-20130205
/ -- due 2013-02-13 -- CLOSED
[11] http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-mediastream-recording-20130205/
<trackbot>
[12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1160
[12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1160
<clown> action-1661?
<trackbot> action-1661 -- Cynthia Shelly to Propose uia express
and uia mappings for aria-description. -- due 2015-07-22 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1661
[13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1661
<clown> action-1660?
<trackbot> action-1660 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Propose the
ATK/AT-SPI mappings for aria-roledescription. -- due 2015-06-30
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1660
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1660
<clown> action-1662?
<trackbot> action-1662 -- Alexander Surkov to Propose IA2
mapping for aria-description -- due 2015-06-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1662
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1662
<scribe> scribe: joanie
ACTION-1625 (Joseph, All) Mappings for aria-interactive property.
<clown> action-1625?
<trackbot> action-1625 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add interactive
property to core mappings that propogates from grid or table to
all grid aria grid or table structural elements. the
interactive property should have same mapping as defined in
issue 633 -- due 2015-09-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1625
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1625
JS: There was a proposal in the caucus to have an
aria-interactive.
<clown> issue-633?
<trackbot> issue-633 -- listbox and tree may contain only
static items; badly need interactive widgets that can contain
interactive typed items -- open
<trackbot> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/633
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/633
JS: That is isue 633.
CS: I thought that was discarded.
JS: It's disappeared.
<clown>
[18]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27866
[18] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27866
JS: Michael has commented that it's closed for tables, but we
still need to address it for other objects.
... Ah, this is by Dominic.
... Need to introduce attribute to indicate key handlers.
... But I think that's been replaced with the aria-hotkey.
... So I don't think we need this.
<clown> action-1505?
<trackbot> action-1505 -- Matthew King to Create an
aria-interactive property for issue 633 -- due 2015-05-08 --
CLOSED
<trackbot>
[19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1505
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1505
BG: But this interactive propoerty I think is an indication
that ATs should not control the interaction.
JS: I'll bring this up at the next Thursday call and ask if
this thing still exists.
... Because it doesn't make sense to propose mappings for it if
it isn't going to be added to the spec.
ACTION-1322: (Jon, All) Examples for aria-hidden="false", including
live regions.
<clown> action-1322?
<trackbot> action-1322 -- Jon Gunderson to Make some examples
for aria-hidden="false" (including a hidden live region) -- due
2014-09-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1322
[20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1322
JS: This is an action I discovered which is way past due on Jon
Gunderson to make examples on aria-hiden="false" including live
regions.
... I've emailed to Jon to ask him what this is all about
because I do not know. Also, which is this associated with the
mapping spec?
... I've not yet heard back from Jon.
... Does anyone here know why?
BG: (Requests repeat)
JS: (Repeats it)
CS: Maybe this is for the authoring guide.
... Why don't we just change it to that product?
JS: Bryan, are you (in the authoring group) still working on
1.1?
BG: Yes.
JS: Ok, I'll transfer it to your group then.
ACTION-1541: (James) AXAPI mapping for aria-modal.
JS: This one and the next one, I've sent at least three emails
related to mapping .
... I've not heard back.
<clown> action-1541?
<trackbot> action-1541 -- James Craig to Investigate and
propose mappings for aria-modal property for axapi. -- due
2014-12-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1541
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1541
JD: I think they have a modal property; don't know about
current.
JS: I made that suggestion for modal.
CS: I remember that discussion. I think it's a good idea.
<clown> [22]https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138566
[22] https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138566
JS: There's an existing WebKit bug (url above)
... So he's working on it, I guess.
... So we should monitor this bug until it's finished.
JD: I'll CC myself to that bug and take a look when I get back
home.
... If it's easy enough, I might as well do it myself, but I
need a Safari dev environment (which I have at home).
JS: I'll set the date to August 18.
<clown> action-1535?
<trackbot> action-1535 -- James Craig to Investigate the axapi
mappings for aria-current. -- due 2014-11-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1535
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1535
ACTION-1535: (James) AXAPI mapping for aria-current.
JS: Looking at action-1535, AXAPI mapping for aria-current.
Again, I sent email to James but no response so far.
... I'm not sure if there is a webkit but filed for this or
not. I'll look.
... There is one:
<clown> [24]https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146012
[24] https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146012
JS: So I'll add myself to the CC list. On the action I'll note
this bug and move the due date to August.
ACTION-1608: (Cynthia) Bring up issue-708 with html-a11y taskforce
(conditions for inclusion within a11y tree).
<clown> action-1608?
<trackbot> action-1608 -- Cynthia Shelly to Bring up issue-708
with the html-a11y taskforce. -- due 2015-06-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1608
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1608
<clown> issue-708?
<trackbot> issue-708 -- The phrase "If not already excluded
from the accessibility tree per the rules above" implies that
the listed conditions do not override. Is that correct? -- open
<trackbot> [26]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/708
[26] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/708
CS: Which relates to issue-708 right?
... I re-read the section and think the current text is right.
... The text is strangely worded.
... Presentation removes it from the tree unless it's
focusable, etc.
... It's not adding stuff back; it's just exceptions.
JS: I responded to your comment with another comment.
... Stating I agreed with you with respect to display:none and
visibility hidden and html5 hidden.
... But if it's focusable, etc. It should be exposed.
CS: And that's exactly what the text says.
... Presentation is ignored in those cases.
... It's awkwardly worded.
... If you agree on my read on that....
JS: I'm not sure I do.
CS + JS: Agreement to work on the wording in the document, but
not during the call.
JS: Let me think about it. I'll take the action on.
... We'll close the action.
RESOLUTION: Close action-1608
JS: I'll add a comment.
<clown> ACTION: Joseph to propose new wording, as an editorial
change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section 5.1.2
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/14-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1681 - Propose new wording, as an
editorial change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section
5.1.2 [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2015-07-21].
<clown> action-1681?
<trackbot> action-1681 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose new
wording, as an editorial change only to clarify the inclusion
rules in section 5.1.2 -- due 2015-07-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1681
[28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1681
Bugzilla-28816 (All) Some ARIA roles lacking explicit a11y API role
mappings.
<clown> [29]https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239
[29] https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239
<clown>
[30]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816
[30] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816
JS: In the above issue, Jason reported that certain roles
lacked explicit role mappings.
... Cynthia replied on the bug what should be done for UIA.
<clown> <p role="banner">
JS: Jason was okay with that, but we've since found some
issues.
... Given <p role="banner"> Firefox mapped it to
ROLE_PARAGRAPH, but then used xml-roles.
CS: In UIA, that would be mapped to group.
JS: For these roles, Firefox always uses the tag.
CS: UIA does not have roles for document structures.
... The architecture of the APIs is different. Anything that is
not UI, we map to a generic group and then put the role string
in there so the screen reader will say it's a banner.
<clown> <button role="banner">
JS: I'm waiting on Alex and/or Joanie.
<clown> <div role="banner"> is mapped as ROLE_LANDMARK and
xml-roles:banner.
<clown> <p role="banner"> is mapped as ROLE_PARAGRAPH and
xml-roles:banner.
JD: I would think if a paragraph has a role indicating it's a
landmark, it should be mapped as a landmark.
JS: States the mapping differences above.
CS: That is not how ARIA is supposed to work.
JD: I agree with Cynthia.
<clown> I wonder what FF does with <button role="banner">?
Probably ROLE_BUTTON and xml-roles:banner.
JD: If the author says "this is a banner" then it's a banner;
it's not a paragraph.
<clown> <p role="button"> ROLE_BUTTON.
JD: A paragraph that's a banner makes no sense (to me).
JS: If you have a paragraph with role button, it's mapped as a
button and the paragraph aspect is lost.
... I've commented on the bug to ask Alex about this to find
out why the paragraph is not being mapped as a landmark in this
particular case.
... Jason has requested info from Alex, Joanie, and Cynthia.
JD: I will comment.
CS: I think I commented already, right?
JS: Yes you (Cynthia) did.
<clown>
[31]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816#c7
[31] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816#c7
JS: The above URL has my suggested wording.
<clown> - Expose as text string 'navigation' in AriaRole.
<clown> - Group control type with a localized control type
based on the AriaRole.
<cyns> change "Group control type with a localized control type
based on the AriaRole." to "Group control type with a localized
control type of 'navigation'."
<clown>
[32]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816#c8
[32] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816#c8
JS: Jason's latest comment has a list of a bunch more (above
URL)
CS: The landmark role we did in Windows 10, they're in Edge.
JS: He's finding no mappings in UIA for article, form, note,
and log.
CS: I think we did those in Windows 10.
JS: Could you comment on the bug?
CS: Yes. I'll do that.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Joseph to propose new wording, as an editorial
change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section 5.1.2
[recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/14-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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