- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:37:23 -0500
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2015/02/17-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
17 Feb 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/17-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, Rich_Schwerdtfeger,
Joanmarie_Diggs, Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
David_Bolter
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]ACTION-980: (David) Define mappings for managed
aria related states.
2. [5]ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Define UIA mapping in
section 5.5.1 when element does not exist in
accessibility tree.
3. [6]ISSUE-700/ACTION-1544/ACTION-1546: (Rich, Cynthia,
David) Mapping of role rowgroup.
4. [7]ISSUE-692/ACTION-1554: (Cynthia) Provide UIA
mapping for role="searchbox".
5. [8]ISSUE-692/ACTION-1556: (David) Provide MSAA/IA2
mapping for role="searchbox".
6. [9]ACTION-1564: (David) MSAA/IA2 mapping for
role="switch".
7. [10]ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Define UIA mapping in
section 5.5.1 when element does not exist in
accessibility tree.
8. [11]ACTION-1564: (David) MSAA/IA2 mapping for
role="switch".
9. [12]ACTION-1569/ISSUE-540: (Jason) Section of Core-AAM
for AAPI differences.
* [13]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 17 February 2015
<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> scribe: joanie
ACTION-980: (David) Define mappings for managed aria related states.
JS: David was going to work on this. I heard from him, he
cannot come to the meeting.
<clown> action-980?
<trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Describe/define
managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset,
aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5
bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2015-01-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
JS: Anyone else want to discuss this?
RS: I don't quite understand.
... Ok, it basically wants to say how the browser manages these
states if they are missing.
JS: The current text in the mapping guide is vague with respect
to what happens if the states are absent.
... David volunteered to take this up.
... I periodically ping David; he's still working on it.
... It was raised, I believe, at a face-to-face meeting.
... David indicated he wants to come up with a list of managed
states.
... I'll ping him again.
... We might still be able to get it in for 1.1.
ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Define UIA mapping in section 5.5.1 when
element does not exist in accessibility tree.
JS: Cynthia is not here (yet).
<clown> action-1104?
<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the
accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies --
due 2015-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
JS: You can have an aria-describedby that has display:none on
it.
... As far as UIA is concerned, this means the description
doesn't exist.
... Other APIs allow you to expose the description text.
... I did see a number of emails about this about a month ago.
... I think Steve and Marco were encouraging them to use MSAA
accDescription.
... But I believe Cynthia said they had some problems with
that.
RS: In the past, perhaps due to poor documentation, people were
misusing this property.
JS: Maybe what we need to do is fix the Microsoft
documentation.
ISSUE-700/ACTION-1544/ACTION-1546: (Rich, Cynthia, David) Mapping of
role rowgroup.
<clown>
[16]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.h
tml#accessible-name-and-description-mapping
[16]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#accessible-name-and-description-mapping
<clown> issue-700?
<trackbot> issue-700 -- Discuss rowgroup, tbody, and thead in
aapis -- open
<trackbot> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/700
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/700
<clown> action-1544?
<trackbot> action-1544 -- Cynthia Shelly to Document rowgroup
mappings for ie 11 for both uia express and uia -- due
2015-02-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1544
[18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1544
<clown> action-1546?
<trackbot> action-1546 -- David Bolter to Make sure the
rowgroup mapping for msaa/ia2 is accurate -- due 2014-12-23 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1546
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1546
JS: This issue relates to action-1544 and action-1546.
RS: Let me see if I can get Alex to join us.
<clown>
[20]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ro
le-map-rowgroup
[20]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-rowgroup
<clown> action-1546?
<trackbot> action-1546 -- David Bolter to Make sure the
rowgroup mapping for msaa/ia2 is accurate -- due 2014-12-23 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1546
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1546
JS: David said last week that he wanted to talk to Alex about
it.
RS: I'm going to email Alex about it.
<clown>
[22]http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-aapi-minutes.html#item07
[22] http://www.w3.org/2015/02/10-aapi-minutes.html#item07
<clown>
[23]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ro
le-map-rowgroup
[23]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-rowgroup
JS: (Reads from the above)
... MSAA and UIA Express expose the role as a property, which
means there is an accessible there.
... IA2 exposes it as ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUP.
RS: Actually, that's probably ok, right?
JS: UIA exposes it as 'group'
RS: Which also means nothing.
JS: ATK and AXAPI do not map it. There is no accessible.
... I think the interoperability issue is if an accessible
should be there at all.
RS: (Finishes email to Alex and CCs David)
<clown> action-980
<trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Describe/define
managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset,
aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5
bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2015-01-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
[24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
<clown>
[25]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#st
atePropertyMappingGeneralRules
[25]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#statePropertyMappingGeneralRules
<clown> item 1 at that URL
(The above are related to the email being written)
<richardschwerdtfeger>
[26]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Feb/00
54.html
[26] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Feb/0054.html
RS: The above is the message I sent.
ISSUE-692/ACTION-1554: (Cynthia) Provide UIA mapping for
role="searchbox".
action-1554
<trackbot> action-1554 -- Cynthia Shelly to Provide UIA mapping
for role="searchbox" -- due 2015-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1554
[27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1554
JS: I was asking for mappings for the new searchbox role.
... Cynthia has not yet been able to join us.
... We've got a mapping for ATK/AT-SPI2.
<clown>
[28]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ro
le-map-searchbox
[28]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-searchbox
JS: That's the only one so far.
... Cynthia, we're working on the mapping for role="searchbox"
<clown> action-1554
<trackbot> action-1554 -- Cynthia Shelly to Provide UIA mapping
for role="searchbox" -- due 2015-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[29]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1554
[29] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1554
<clown>
[30]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ro
le-map-searchbox
[30]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-searchbox
CS: We would use the editabletext pattern and a localizable
control type. So just like an input, but the string would say
"search box".
RS: So I guess for CR, we're only going to test for English
mappings.
CS: I'm updating the action now.
JS: When you're done, assign it to me and I'll put in the
mapping spec.
ISSUE-692/ACTION-1556: (David) Provide MSAA/IA2 mapping for
role="searchbox".
JD: Was this added to the email Rich sent?
JS: Nothing about searchbox or switch.
... The same thing (mapping for searchbox) is needed for
MSAA/IA2.
... This is David's action.
ACTION-1564: (David) MSAA/IA2 mapping for role="switch".
<clown>
[31]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ro
le-map-switch
[31]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-switch
JS: We have mappings for UIA and ATK/AT-SPI2. Not IA2 or AX
API.
JD: I need to do a patch for the ATK mappings in WebKit.
... When I do so, I'll have to deal with the mapping for AX
API, so I may be able to get us mappings for that platform as
well.
... In which case I'll update James' actions.
ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Define UIA mapping in section 5.5.1 when
element does not exist in accessibility tree.
<clown> action-1104?
<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the
accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies --
due 2015-02-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[32]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
[32] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
JS: This is aria-describedby pointing to something with
display:none.
CS: We're still working on it.
JS: I mentioned earlier that Steve Faulkner and Marco Zehe
suggested accDescription.
CS: That's gone now.
... We're talking about adding something like it.
JS: So what do we want to do? Set the date further out?
CS: March 15th.
ACTION-1564: (David) MSAA/IA2 mapping for role="switch".
ACTION-1569/ISSUE-540: (Jason) Section of Core-AAM for AAPI
differences.
<clown> action-1569?
<trackbot> action-1569 -- Jason Kiss to Create a section that
describes AAPI differences -- due 2015-03-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[33]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1569
[33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1569
JS: This is something Jason Kiss wanted to do.
... He did do it, but it's on a special branch.
... The email was sent here:
<clown>
[34]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/issue-540/core-aam/core-aam.html
#comparing-accessibility-apis
[34]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/issue-540/core-aam/core-aam.html#comparing-accessibility-apis
JS: He's basically copied a note I'd written about ATK versus
AT-SPI. Then added content about names and descriptions.
(Group reads)
CS: With respect to 1.3.1 there's a lot of differences between
how UIA and the other Accessibility APIs work.
... For example, patterns.
... You can give me an action to provide some of this
information.
<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to add to the section on differences
among AAPIs highlighting the features of UIA. [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2015/02/17-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1585 - Add to the section on
differences among aapis highlighting the features of uia. [on
Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-02-24].
<clown> action-1585?
<trackbot> action-1585 -- Cynthia Shelly to Add to the section
on differences among aapis highlighting the features of uia. --
due 2015-02-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[36]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1585
[36] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1585
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to add to the section on differences
among AAPIs highlighting the features of UIA. [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2015/02/17-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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