- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:11:52 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
27 Aug 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Aug/0016.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Cynthia_Shelly, Joseph_Scheuhammer
Regrets
David_Bolter, Michael_Cooper
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
clown
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Test case 344
2. [6]issue-595
3. [7]action-842
4. [8]action-973
5. [9]action-982
6. [10]action-1104
7. [11]action-1115
8. [12]action-1210
9. [13]action-1255
* [14]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 27 August 2013
<scribe> scribenick: clown
topci: Test case 344
Test case 344
JS: this has to do with aria-checked='mixed' on radio buttons.
... all platforms are failing.
... Rich has asked that at least two user agents to please
implement the spec.
... right, this is for a menuitemradio button, but it's the
same problem.
CS: why mixed on a radio button.
JS: the spec says, if mixed on a radio button, expose as false.
... FF exposes it as true.
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite
_id=1&testcase_id=344
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=344
CS: we may want to change this to MSAA.
... we didn't implement TogglePattern for radio buttons.
... but, we did implement selectable for radio buttons.
JS: check boxes too?
CS: not sure.
... but in any case, if we change the UAIG to say "expose in
selectable state and is-selected = false" UIA Express.
... that might make IE pass this.
JS: just to be sure, those are MSAA states and properties.
CS: yes.
... menuitemcheckbox is using the checked state;
menuitemradiobuttons is using the selected state.
... I bet an old desktop radio button implements the selection
state.
... I'd have to go look.
JS: so the proposal is to change the UAIG to map radio button
aria-checked state to selectable states.
... for the UIA express column.
CS: radio button is not quite the same implementation, but it
does expose a selectable action.
... But, the UAIG for UIA TogglePattern is not implemented, and
needs to be switched for UIA Express.
<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to look into toggle patterns and how
that needs to be modified in the UAIG. [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1255 - Look into toggle patterns and
how that needs to be modified in the uaig. [on Cynthia Shelly -
due 2013-09-03].
<scribe> ACTION: Joseph to modify MSAA+UIA Express entry for
aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use MSAA selectable
state and selected proerty instead of UIA TogglePattern.
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1256 - Modify msaa+uia express entry
for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use msaa selectable
state and selected proerty instead of uia togglepattern. [on
Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-09-03].
JS: ISSELECTED property and SELECTABLE state?
<cyns> selectable state, isSelected property
CS: windows 98 camel case.
... these are the COM properties.
... you can do with the caps. There is an article that gives
the enumerations.
issue-595
issue-595?
<trackbot> issue-595 -- treegrid for UIA has outline roles vs.
gridcell roles. IE implemented gridcell - Change it? -- open
<trackbot> [18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595
[18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595
JS: I did the edit, but Rich raised a related issue.
issue-598?
<trackbot> issue-598 -- Mapping for treegrid role is incorrect
for IE -- open
<trackbot> [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/598
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/598
<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to check the IE10 and IE11 to see how
they map the treegrid role. [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1257 - Check the ie10 and ie11 to see
how they map the treegrid role. [on Cynthia Shelly - due
2013-09-03].
action-1257?
<trackbot> action-1257 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check the ie10 and
ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. -- due 2013-09-03
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
action-842
action-842?
<trackbot> action-842 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a diagram to
support 1.2 A11Y vs DOM tree -- due 2011-06-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/842
[22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/842
CS: Let's set that to aria 1.1.
action-973
action-973?
<trackbot> action-973 -- Cynthia Shelly to Work with David
Bolter and Larry Weiss to create testable statements for UAIG
4.2 Controlling focus with tabindex, bullet 11 -- due
2013-07-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/973
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/973
[24]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focu
s_tabindex
[24] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_tabindex
bullet 11 is:
When the user triggers an element with a defined activation
behavior in a manner other than clicking it, such as by
pressing Enter, simulate a click on the element. The steps to
simulate a click include:
1. running pre-click activation steps
2. firing a click event
3. running post-click activation steps
If the event is cancelled, run cancelled activation steps on
the element instead.
CS: this is not that difficult to test. At least B is easy.
JS: actually this is something that MichaelC_ has started work
on.
CS: Re-assign to MichaelC_
JS: Ok, I reassigned to Michael as part of the UAIG test suite.
... with luck, he may already have these testable statements
complete.
action-982
action-982?
<trackbot> action-982 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create UIA special
case test cases from existing generated test cases. -- due
2013-07-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982
CS: email on its way.
action-1104
action-1104?
<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the
accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies --
due 2013-05-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[26]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
[26] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
CS: still working on it. Change the due date to Sep 17.
JS: done.
action-1115
action-1115?
<trackbot> action-1115 -- Cynthia Shelly to Find reference in
MSAA spec that says you can't put anything in the role property
except roles that are defined by the MSAA spec -- due
2012-10-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1115
[27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1115
CS: not required for shipping.
... this is really a discussion with David about FF putting
strings into MSAA role.
... But, that's overtaken with their use of IA2.
... So, we could move this to Aria 1.1
JS: does it relate to 1175?
action-1175?
<trackbot> action-1175 -- David Bolter to Status of
ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due
2013-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
[28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
JS: no, it doesn't. Let's move it to aria 1.1.
... okay, it's now moved to an aria 1.1 action.
action-1210
action-1210?
<trackbot> action-1210 -- Cynthia Shelly to research why test
case 267 fails. Is UAIG or IE10 impl correct? -- due 2013-05-23
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[29]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1210
[29] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1210
CS: let's see if it is still failing.
... I passed it recently.
... I'm seeing a pass in IE10.
resolved: close action-1210 since it is now passing in IE10.
action-1255
CS: that's the one we just created.
... so we are done.
... I will do my best to attend next week.
JS: I will be here since it's the day after labour day.
rssagent, make minutes
RRSAgent: make log public
RRSAgent: make log public
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to check the IE10 and IE11 to see how
they map the treegrid role. [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to look into toggle patterns and how that
needs to be modified in the UAIG. [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Joseph to modify MSAA+UIA Express entry for
aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use MSAA selectable
state and selected proerty instead of UIA TogglePattern.
[recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
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