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Re: closing a Tab?

From: Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:36:19 -0500
Message-Id: <0F22584A-D613-4D1F-96C3-ECD60AE228CF@IEEE.org>
Cc: "Wlodkowski, Thomas" <Thomas.Wlodkowski@corp.aol.com>, "Jon Gunderson" <jongund@uiuc.edu>, "Becky Gibson" <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com>, <wai-xtech@w3.org>
To: "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>


On 3 Mar 2008, at 3:58 AM, Schnabel, Stefan wrote:

>
> Tom,
>
> That's why we're doing Best Practices, don't we?
>
> Think of FireFox. Having 10 Tabs open and arrow keying with additional
> focusing of the closing cross icon will result in a keyhitcount of  
> 18 to
> navigate the tabs instead of 9.
>
> And don't tell me Firefox isn't a good example :) (just kidding)
>
> So currently we solve the issue for Tabs in our Web Dynpro frameworks
> with memorizing special keys in the tab tooltip in cases where it does
> make sense.

s/memorizing/explaining

The tooltip explains the special keys to users not familiar with them  
yet.

Is that right, Stefan?

> - Stefan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wlodkowski, Thomas [mailto:Thomas.Wlodkowski@corp.aol.com]
> Sent: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 18:25
> To: Schnabel, Stefan; Jon Gunderson; Becky Gibson; wai-xtech@w3.org
> Subject: RE: closing a Tab?
>
> I also think the icon attached to the tab or in the tab order may also
> be helpful. We need to consider cognitive load when talking about
> keyboard shortcuts. Too many web and software apps to track/memorize.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Schnabel, Stefan
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:54 AM
> To: Jon Gunderson; Becky Gibson; wai-xtech@w3.org
> Subject: RE: closing a Tab?
>
>
> Jon,
>
> better to have a standardized hotkey for closing tab. As a concept we
> tend to keep tab chains short.
>
> Regards
> Stefan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Jon Gunderson
> Sent: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 17:32
> To: Becky Gibson; wai-xtech@w3.org
> Subject: Re: closing a Tab?
>
>
> Why can't the close icon be in tab order and the icon can also be part
> of the label for the tab.
>
> Jon
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
>> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:35:21 -0500
>> From: "Becky Gibson" <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com>
>> Subject: Re: closing a Tab?
>> To: wai-xtech@w3.org
>>
>>
>> I implemented a context menu for closable tabs in the dojo tab
> container.
>> See the second tab panel example on [1]. The tabs with title "first"
> and
>> "third" are closable. Pressing shift-F10 with focus on these tabs  
>> will
>> bring up a context menu with "close".  If a tab is closable, pressing
> the
>> delete key with focus on the title will delete the tab.  I thought  
>> this
> is
>> what the style guide group had decided upon?  Although it would be  
>> nice
> if
>> there was a way to indicate to the screen reader user that a tab (or
> any
>> other item) was deletable without having the use the shift-F10
> discovery
>> mechanism.
>>
>> I based my implementation decision on the  DHTML Style Guide June 29,
> 2007
>> meeting minutes [2]:
>> TW: options other than DELETE - CTRL+F4 a possibility, have
>> to get comments on that - what we are saying is context menu and
> keyboard
>> shortcut combo fine - great if had property so didn't have to use
> context
>> menu, but maybe that's phase 2
>> So perhaps we made a decision but just didn't record it in the style
>> guide?
>> [1]
>> http://archive.dojotoolkit.org/nightly/dojotoolkit/dijit/tests/ 
>> layout/t
> est_TabContainer.html
>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2007Jun/0130.html
>>
>> Becky Gibson
>> Web Accessibility Architect
>>
>> IBM Emerging Internet Technologies
>> 5 Technology Park Drive
>> Westford, MA 01886
>> Voice: 978 399-6101; t/l 333-6101
>> Email: gibsonb@us.ibm.com
>> blog: WebA11y
>>
>>
>> wai-xtech-request@w3.org wrote on 02/28/2008 03:06:06 PM:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the Best Practices we have a dangling question:
>>>
>>> <quote
>>> cite="http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#TabPanel">
>>>
>>> Unresolved at time of port from DHTML wiki: How to indicate that a
>>> tab panel can be deleted? Visually a close icon can be provided in
>>> the upper right hand corner of the tab which the user can click  
>>> on to
>
>>> delete the tab panel. Putting this close icon in the navigation
>>> sequence would make extra navigation. Is there some way to indicate
>>> to a non-visual user that a tab panel can be deleted with a defined
>>> keystroke? Perhaps we can capture ctrl-w (the key used in Firefox  
>>> and
>
>>> IE 7) to close a tab? T * here is still the issue of the user  
>>> knowing
>
>>> that the tab is closable or not. Another option is to provide a
>>> context menu. With focus on the tab title the user would press  
>>> shift-
>
>>> F10 to invoke a context menu - the context menu would have the close
>>> option. In both of these cases if the tab can not be closed, it  
>>> still
>
>>> needs to capture the keystroke so that it doesn't get bubbled up and
>>> handled by the browser. Retrieved from "http://www.weba11y.com/
>>> styleguide/index.php?title=Tab_Panel"
>>>
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> Don,
>>>
>>> Could you get this on the agenda for the Style
>>> Guide Group to suggest a preferred user experience?
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> /satisfying ACTION-101
>>>
>>> PS:  I didn't immediately find an answer at
>>> http://dev.aol.com/dhtml_style_guide#tabpanel
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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