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Re: Thanks! Re: Runnable suggestion of ARIA in HTML5 document conformance integration

From: Aaron M Leventhal <aleventh@us.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:26:54 -0400
To: Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org>
Cc: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>, public-pfwg-comments@w3.org, wai-xtech@w3.org, wai-xtech-request@w3.org
Message-ID: <OFEF759A80.A44CA27B-ON8525741E.004EE6C2-8525741E.004F820B@us.ibm.com>
Henri, this is really useful. Everyone should look at your findings.

From the doc: 

> Findings So Far
> * To find out how far out these made-up rules are from what people 
> expect to do with ARIA, I validated the University of Illinois ARIA 
examples.
> * A grid example turns table headers into buttons. This is 
> problematic, because the aria-sort property does not apply to 
> buttons. It seems to be it would make more sense not to override the
> native semantics of th and indicate that the headers can be clicked 
> to sort by setting focusability with tabindex. 
> * The live region states and properties are used without an explicit
> role on span. Perhaps it would make sense to move the live region 
> states and properties to global states and properties. 
Totally agree. Anything can be live. I believe the current internal draft 
has that as a feature:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/aria/

(At the last f2f we went over the global states & propreties and fixed a 
few that should have been global).

> * Another case where a validator could help. Is “descendant” too 
> prone to get misspelt? “labelled” is even noted as problematic in the 
spec. 
> * Of the states and properties I opted not to support in this draft,
> aria-hidden is actually used by the demos. Is it too late for 
> irrelevant? On the other hand, the other states and properties that 
Why not have HTML 5 use hidden? It's more obvious what it ,means. 
Irrelevant just sounds like the opposite of relevant from XForms, which 
definitely does not mean hidden -- it just means enabled.

> I opted to support are ones that were not used in the demos. 
> * Leaving group partially unsupported did hit a demo case, though. 

- Aaron





Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org> 
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03/31/2008 03:06 PM

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Thanks! Re: Runnable suggestion of ARIA in HTML5 document conformance 
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On 31 Mar 2008, at 2:34 PM, Henri Sivonen wrote:
>
> I've prototyped ARIA-in-HTML5 conformance checking in Validator.nu:
> http://html5.validator.nu/

>
> This allows people to try what a refinement of my earlier 
> suggestion feels like when executed with real input.

This will be a big help.

Al

> The features of the prototype are explained in the following document:
> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/aria-html5-bis/

>
> -- 
> Henri Sivonen
> hsivonen@iki.fi
> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/

>
>
>




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