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Re: Reserved keystrokes for borwsers and operating system functions

From: Victor Tsaran <vtsaran@yahoo-inc.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:19:32 -0800
Message-ID: <47696EC4.6040208@yahoo-inc.com>
To: Aaron M Leventhal <aleventh@us.ibm.com>
CC: "Wlodkowski, Thomas" <Thomas.Wlodkowski@corp.aol.com>, Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>, W3C WAI-PFWG <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, W3C WAI-XTECH <wai-xtech@w3.org>, wai-xtech-request@w3.org

I think we can avoid loading the user with too many shortcut keys to 
worry about, but keeping things simple wherever possible. For example, 
most users don't know
to use CTRL+TAB to switch between tab pages; or even if they know that, 
they would not use the keystroke too often.
Introducing another subset of keystrokes may increase complexity of the 
user interface.
Having said, I do agree with Tom that we should all be cooperating on 
standard keystroke approach.
Regards,
Victor

Aaron M Leventhal wrote:
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> > The battle between widgets and browser access to the keyboard is why 
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> You make it sound much more interesting than it really is! Maybe that 
> will help us get it addressed :)
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> - Aaron
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> *"Wlodkowski, Thomas" <Thomas.Wlodkowski@corp.aol.com>*
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> 12/19/2007 12:24 PM
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> The battle between widgets and browser access to the keyboard is why 
> the AXS library developed by Chris Blouch on my team now uses 
> Alt+Control+the letter key.
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> To be honest, I'm not sure how the keyboard battle is resolved if 
> there isn't some path toward better cooperation between the widget and 
> browser. My company develops web apps that in many cases replace 
> software applications. I suspect consumers want the same or equivalent 
> behaviors when they're accessing email via a webmail app. Hopefully 
> this issue will spark greater participation in the DHTML Style Guide 
> working group that meets weekly on Tuesdays at noon. You can see the 
> widget-specific keyboard behaviors discussed thus far at:
> _http://dev.aol.com/dhtml_style_guide_
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> Tom
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> *From:* wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] *On 
> Behalf Of *Aaron M Leventhal*
> Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2007 3:31 PM*
> To:* Jon Gunderson*
> Cc:* W3C WAI-PFWG; W3C WAI-XTECH; wai-xtech-request@w3.org*
> Subject:* Re: Reserved keystrokes for borwsers and operating system 
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> I have an old list but it should be updated. Could be a great 
> resources if it was.
> http://www.mozilla.org/access/keyboard/
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> Anyway, in the case of Alt+left it didn't appear the grid really meant 
> to use it. Better to check always the modifier key and let it go if 
> it's not the key you're looking for.
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> - Aaron
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> *Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>*
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> 12/18/2007 03:27 PM
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> Aaron,
> Is there a list of key combinations that ARIA (Web 2.0) applications 
> should never use?
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> There are already some conflicts in the best practices, in that case 
> the best practices says the Widget should win.
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> Are these combinations going to be OS and browser specific?
>
> Jon
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> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:53:54 -0500
> >From: Aaron M Leventhal <aleventh@us.ibm.com>
> >Subject: Re: Updated Illinois ARIA Examples
> >To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
> >Cc: W3C WAI-PFWG <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, W3C WAI-XTECH 
> <wai-xtech@w3.org>, wai-xtech-request@w3.org
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> >   I see a bug in the grid example.
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> >   If I hit Alt+left or Alt+right to move in my browser
> >   history, it moves in the grid instead. The script is
> >   stealing those keystrokes instead of letting it go
> >   to the browser.
> >   You have to return true from your event handler if
> >   the key was not used. That lets it bubble to the
> >   next possible handler.
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> >   - Aaron
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> >   Jon Gunderson                 To W3C WAI-PFWG
> > <jongund@uiuc.edu> <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>,
> >   Sent by:                         W3C WAI-XTECH
> >   wai-xtech-request@w3.org <wai-xtech@w3.org>
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> >   12/17/2007 05:46 PM      Subject Updated Illinois
> >                                    ARIA Examples
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> >   I have update the following examples to use the
> >   non-namespaced version of the ARIA markup:
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> >   Menubar
> >   http://test.cita.uiuc.edu/aria/menubar/
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> >   Grid
> >   http://test.cita.uiuc.edu/aria/grid/
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> >   Slider
> >   http://test.cita.uiuc.edu/aria/slider/
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> >   Slider
> >   http://test.cita.uiuc.edu/aria/slider/
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> >   Tab Panel
> >   http://test.cita.uiuc.edu/aria/tabpanel/
> >   Jon Gunderson, Ph.D.
> >   Coordinator of Assistive Communication and
> >   Information Technology (DRES)
> >
> >   WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/
> >   WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/
> Jon Gunderson, Ph.D.
> Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology (DRES)
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> WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/
> WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/
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