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Re: Updated SVG comments document

From: Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:24:17 -0500
Message-Id: <p06110424bddd12d6abc2@[10.0.1.2]>
To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>, wai-xtech@w3.org


Jon,

With the arrival of Rich's comments I think we are about ready to
wrap these up and pass the lot of them to SVG WG. How long do you
want to wait for reactions here on this list to the latest arrivals?
Jim Ley had some good comments but I don't think they remove any
items.

Let's talk on the CG call presently.

Al

At 5:20 PM -0600 11/29/04, Jon Gunderson wrote:
>Al.
>I updated the document based on your comments.
>
>1. The text only version also provides support for AT and
>people with low vision which reduces the burden on AT
>developers to develop custom programs for SVG access to text
>descriptions.
>
>2 Text only view provides a common text view between authors
>and all users, including users with disabilities.  So if there
>are problems, people at least have one common view to refer to.
>
>Jon
>
>
>---- Original message ----
>>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:24:00 -0500
>>From: Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org> 
>>Subject: Re: Updated SVG comments document 
>>To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>, wai-xtech@w3.org
>>
>>
>>At 1:25 PM -0600 11/24/04, Jon Gunderson wrote:
>>>I have updated the WAI SVG 1.2 comments document to add
>>>sections on benefits to people with disabilities. Comments or
>>>edits can be sent to the list.
>>>
>>>http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2004-11-wai-comments-svg12.html
>>
>>Here are the local-edit suggestions that I promised in an
>earlier mail.
>>
>><quote>
>>Gray Scale Viewing Option:
>>       Colors are converted to a grayscale values;
>>       Colors with the same luminosity need to adjusted to
>make them
>>           distinguishable as gray scale.
>></quote>
>>
>><change
>>class="proposed to">
>>
>><html>
>>
>><dl>
>>
>><dt>Gray Scale Viewing Option:</dt>
>>    <dd>Colors are converted to shades of gray.<dd>
>>
>></dl>
>>
>><p>
>>The author should, if they can, change colors that appear as
>the same
>>shade of gray under this trasform.
>></p>
>>
>><p>
>>All authors should be afforded  the capability to readily
>make this check.
>></p>
>>
>></html>
>>
>></change>
>>
>><comment>
>>
>>The existing wording, read quickly,can sound as if the gray scale
>>compositing option would be expected to make the necessary
>changes.
>>
>>I don't think that's what you meant.
>>
>></comment>
>>
>><quote>
>>
>>Device Independence and Keyboard
>>
>></quote>
>>
>><comment>
>>
>>We have been doing work on generic approaches to these issues
>in the
>>context of the roadmap.  I have tickled Rich to see if there
>is something
>>more specific we should say here.
>>
>></comment>
>>
>><quote>
>>
>>Add new section in Section 10 Rendering Model related to
>accessibility:
>>       Describe disabilities benefited by these features;
>>       Allow users to define a compositing operation be
>applied to the
>>          text element of an SVG document;
>>       Allow users to define a compositing operation be
>applied to the
>>          entire SVG document.
>>
>></quote>
>>
>><change
>>class="proposed to">
>>
>>
>>Add new section in Section 10 Rendering Model related to
>accessibility:
>>       Describe disabilities benefited by these features;
>>       Allow users to designate a compositing operation be
>applied to the
>>          text element of an SVG document;
>>       Allow users to designate a compositing operation be
>applied to the
>>          entire SVG document.
>>
>>
>>
>></change>
>>
>><comment>
>>
>>in brief s/define/designate
>>
>>I don't think the present text says what you mean.
>>
>>I think you mean that the player will afford the user a
>view-control
>>dialog by which the user can designate [synonym: select] a
>>compositing operation to be applied.  I don't think that you
>mean the
>>user should be able to expect the player to apply a user-defined
>>compositing operation that isn't already defined in the
>format specification.
>>
>></comment>
>>
>>
>><quote>
>>
>>For authors to verify the text descriptions and structural
>>information is correct they need to be able to view the
>structure and
>>text descriptions in a "text only" view of the svg resource.
>>
>></quote>
>>
>><change
>>class="proposed">
>>
>><from>
>  >
>>... they need to be able to ...
>>
>></from>
>>
>><to>
>>
>>... it is very helpful if they can ...
>>
>></to>
>>
>></change>
>>
>><comment>
>>
>>I can't quite concur with saying a text-only view is required
>for the
>>author to get it right.
>>
>>The real question I would pose to the authors is:
>>
>>"If you had to summarize this scene in terms of at most
>five-to-nine
>>parts, what would those parts be [verbal title; verbal
>description;
>>graphic scope by select-and-group]? What are the key
>relationships
>>among those parts [sentence or RDF triple per relationship
>[refine ad
>>lib]]? [Repeat for parts of those parts until the plot is
>clear.]"
>>
>>The point I get hung up on is that the conceptual content the
>author
>>and eyes-free visitor share are described by a topological
>graph of
>>entities, attributes and relationships. Removing all graphics,
>>particularly the graphic arrangement, is actually
>counter-productive
>>for the purpose of getting the author to verbalize the
>notions involved.
>>Better to verbalize the notions of the objects and their
>>relationships in the actual topology of the layout, as opposed to
>>some linearization that hides the graph structure.
>>
>></comment>
>>
>>
>><quote>
>>
>>
>></quote>
>>
>><comment>
>>
>>
>></comment>
>>
>>
>><quote>
>>
>>
>></quote>
>>
>><comment>
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>></comment>
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>><quote>
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>></quote>
>>
>><comment>
>>
>>
>></comment>
>>
>>>Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
>>>Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information
>Technology
>>>Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
>>>MC-574
>>>College of Applied Life Studies
>>>University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
>>>1207 S. Oak Street, Champaign, IL  61820
>>>
>>>Voice: (217) 244-5870
>>>Fax: (217) 333-0248
>>>
>>>E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu
>>>
>>>WWW: http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/
>>>WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/
>>
>>
>
>
>Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
>Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
>Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
>MC-574
>College of Applied Life Studies
>University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
>1207 S. Oak Street, Champaign, IL  61820
>
>Voice: (217) 244-5870
>Fax: (217) 333-0248
>
>E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu
>
>WWW: http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/
>WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/
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