- From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
- Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:38:27 -0500 (EST)
- To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
- cc: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>, Ian Jacobs <ian@w3.org>, WAI Cross-group list <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Actually Amaya allows skipping the map, but it isn't always easy to use. (It implements the requirement in UAAG to navigate the document by structure...) cheers Chaals On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Jon Gunderson wrote: Al, User agents right now don't skip maps (or allow navigation or summary either), but we are including the question in our evaluations. We are trying to get these features implemented: 1. Skip collection of related links 2. Orient user to the set of MAP elements on a page (there could be more than one set of navigation bars or related links) 3. Navigate directly to a particular MAP link set Jon At 09:58 AM 3/28/2002 -0500, Al Gilman wrote: >At 08:39 AM 2002-03-28 , Charles McCathieNevile wrote: > > > >I will take an action to raise this again as an issue in WCAG. > > > >Please don't do that. I am checking with the leadership of the WCAG on >this point. >See the WAI CG archives. > >Ian did a good job of recapping the rationale. > >What I would like you to do, however, is give us an update on user agent >implementation on skipping MAP. With links to backups. > >Al > > >Chaals > > > >On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Ian B. Jacobs wrote: > > > > Dominique Hazaël-Massieux wrote: > > > > > le jeu 28-03-2002 à 10:42, Steven Pemberton a écrit : > > > > > >>>>I don't get the idea of putting the navbar in a <map> (client side > image > > >>>>map). What's the point? What do you gain? > > >>>> > > >>>This is for accessibility reason. See: > > >>>http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#group-bypass > > >>> > > >>Ooh I hadn't spotted this before. This is weird tag abuse. Can anyone > > >>explain to me what the accessibility advantages are of using a > client-side > > >>image map not as a client-side image map, but as a container for links? > > >> > > >>Why is it better than using a <p> or a <div>? > > >> > > > > > > Good question. Maybe Al will be able to give more input on that. > > > Interestingly, it looks like this usage of <map> is not considered good > > > anymore: > > > http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wai-gl-tech-issues.html#group-bypass > > > "A further conclusion is that we do not want to recommend the MAP > element > > > as a way to group links since it is a non-standard use of the element." > > > > > > That's unfortunate that the WCAG WG concluded that after: > > > > 1) That proposal being integrated into HTML 4.01, and > > 2) A fair amount of time spent in the UAWG trying to meet the need > > of recognizing MAP as navigation markup. > > > > I have not been party to the discussion in the WCAG WG, but I'm > > a little disappointed to hear that now they're unrecommending what > > is not *yet* standard practice but might have been. > > > > _ Ian > > > > > > > >-- > >Charles McCathieNevile http://www.w3.org/People/Charles phone: +61 > 409 134 136 > >W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI fax: +33 4 > 92 38 78 22 > >Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia > >(or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, > France) > > Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services MC-574 College of Applied Life Studies University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign 1207 S. Oak Street, Champaign, IL 61820 Voice: (217) 244-5870 Fax: (217) 333-0248 E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu WWW: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~jongund WWW: http://www.w3.org/wai/ua -- Charles McCathieNevile http://www.w3.org/People/Charles phone: +61 409 134 136 W3C Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI fax: +33 4 92 38 78 22 Location: 21 Mitchell street FOOTSCRAY Vic 3011, Australia (or W3C INRIA, Route des Lucioles, BP 93, 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France)
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