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FAQ RE: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site

From: Mike Paciello <paciello@webable.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:19:16 -0500
Message-Id: <200201291719.MAA235817@smtp1.mail.iamworld.net>
To: wai-tech-comments@w3.org
Al:

I agree with you 100%.

-Mike

>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Al Gilman
[<mailto:asgilman@iamdigex.net%5D>mailto:asgilman@iamdigex.net]
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:59 AM
>  To: webwatch@yahoogroups.com
>  Cc: w3c-wai-au@w3.org
>  Subject: RE: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site
>
>
>  At 08:48 AM 2002-01-29 , Mike Paciello wrote:
>  >I have noticed that these dual links with ALT are a popular
>  design trend. I
>  >believe it's based on the misunderstanding of ALT text use.
>  "We" have been
>  >preaching the need for ALT text on images for so long, that
>  designers are
>  >including it on every instance and forgetting usability.
>  >
>  >I think we need to do a better job of educating the designers. Simple as
>  >that.
>  >
>
>  Yes, but why is it that designers have to be repeatedly told [this]?
>
>  It is a megatrend and the bane of my existence.
>
>  They are following a context-free rule that only takes linear
>  thinking.  Here
>  is an IMG, supply an ALT.  All they did was to follow that rule
>  without looking
>  around.  They ignore the context.
>
>  The better ALT would consider the context in a linear reading.
>
>  But from the work-situation of the visual designer willing to
>  JustDoIt for a
>  few rules imposed by the boss, that is a radical step beyone what they
>  understand they have to do.
>
>  My consulting linguist tells me "in English we are rapidly
>  losing constructive
>  morphology."  The ability to have people understand a new word
>  you put together
>  because you put it together following "the rules."
>
>  There is a strong preference in the JustDoIt culture for extreme
>  locality of
>  reference; not to have to look around or consider anything but
>  what is dead
>  ahead of you.  This is what I mean is a megatrend.  Don't know
>  when or if this
>  trend will turn around.
>
>  For effective education and outreach, to get the design
>  constraint we wish to
>  be effective in the designer's understanding we have to put the
>  form of the
>  fluency constraint graphically under their nose.  This can be
>  done with Lynx or
>  Home Page Reader or you name it.  But the authoring process has
>  to present the
>  author with the text content in a geometry which makes the
>  repetition obvious,
>  and makes it look like a mistake.  It is not enough to verbalize
>  an abstract
>  pattern in their ear.  We need to use all the senses they have
>  and habitually
>  respond to, to impress on them the geometry of the problem, that
>  the words
>  should flow.
>
>  Sadly, the documentation of techniques for authoring tools has
>  lost sight of
>  this master principle.
>
>   Techniques for Authoring Tool Accessibility
>
> 
<<http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG10-TECHS/#check-provide-missing-alt>http://www.w3
.org/TR/ATAG10-TECHS/#check-provide-missing-alt>htt
>  p://<http://www.w/>www.w
>  3.org/TR/ATAG10-TECHS/#check-provide-missing-alt
>
>
>  Al
>
>  >Mike
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >> -----Original Message-----
>  >> From: Kelly Ford
> 
[<<mailto:kelly@kellford.com%5D>mailto:kelly@kellford.com%5D><mailto:kelly@k
ellford.com%5D>mailto:kelly@kellford.com]
>  >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:35 AM
>  >> To: webwatch@yahoogroups.com
>  >> Subject: Re: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Hi Phil,
>  >>
>  >> A couple things jump immediately out at me.  These fall in the
>  >> category of making something really usable in my opinion.  Rather
>  >> not doing them would make the site more usable.
>  >>
>  >> 1. Several of the links at the beginning of the page use alt text
>  >> phrasing of "this link goes to...".  Just give me the name of
>  the link.
>  >>
>  >> 2. As you mention there are multiple instances of alt text and
>  >> then a link with the same name.  To me this is where alt=""
>  >> should be used on a graphic that simply duplicates the text of a
>  >> link that is immediately after.
>  >>
>  >> Kelly
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>   ----- Original Message -----
>  >>   From: Phill Jenkins
>  >>   To: webwatch@yahoogroups.com
>  >>   Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:01 AM
>  >>   Subject: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>   Last week I saw a presentation from VISA about how they are
>  >> sponsoring the
>  >>   Paralympics.  They also claim to have made a lot of
>  progress on their
>  >>  
> 
<<http://www.visaparalympics.com/>http://www.visaparalympics.com/><http://ww
w.visaparalympics.com/>http://www.visaparalympics.com site.
>  >>
>  >>   I found the redundant use of alt text to be distracting.
>  Using Home Page
>  >>   Reader [1] VISA would be able to see & hear just what I mean,
>  >> for example
>  >>   Overview Overview.   Also, the main image of a skier with only
>  >> one leg was
>  >>   not described.  But, I really liked the used on skip
>  navigation and the
>  >>   link at the bottom that jumps back to the top. It appears to meet
>  >>   accessibility standards but could be tweaked to make it more
>  >> easy to use.
>  >>
>  >>   What do others think?
>  >>
>  >>   Regards,
>  >>   Phill
>  >>
>  >>
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