Re: minor wording issue on showcase examples

Hi Shadi,

I understand what James is suggesting. I think with the strong visuals of
the video James is probably correct in that we don't need the extra wording
for the transition. I am okay with the suggestion James has put forward. I
leave it up to your discretion. Thanks for checking.

Brent



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On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org> wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying James, I understand your point now.
>
> I have no problems with removing it, and your suggested text. However, the
> transition was added because you and maybe others seemed to want a better
> transition from the "what if your world looked like this" scene of
> (post-production) changing the contrast of the roadsigns to the web
> context. The Task Force came up with the text, to use the narration to
> support and emphasize the visuals. I'm just explaining the background.
>
> Adina and Brent, given this context, do you have preferences regarding the
> reflection of the visuals in the narration to emphasize it, or is it
> sufficiently evident as James suggests?
>
> Best,
>   Shadi
>
>
> On 18.3.2016 23:12, Green, James wrote:
>
>> Hi Shadi,
>>
>> You weren’t unclear.  Maybe I was :)
>>
>> I understand you removed “our world” and thank you, I felt that was
>> important.
>>
>> My second suggestion was to not say anything like "also for websites and
>> apps” because it seems very odd when we don’t first set things up as being
>> in the real world.  Why not just say:
>>
>> 1. There’s something about great design that allows it to go practically
>> unnoticed...
>> 2.  But it doesn’t take much to make things confusing and frustrating.
>> Choosing colors with poor contrast makes navigating, reading, and
>> interacting a real pain.
>> 3. Good design means sufficient contrast between foreground and
>> background colors.
>>
>>
>> Does the transition from street signs to app really need to be called out
>> in the text?  The “it’s also true for…” comes across as jarring to me when
>> we never specified a “place” up front and the script I outline in the
>> previous paragraph seems perfectly good to me...
>>
>> I wouldn’t hold things up over this, especially since I imagine this
>> “that’s the same for…” line can be cut well into the editing process if
>> other people find it strange after seeing the video in draft form...
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> James
>>
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>> On 3/15/16, 6:40 PM, "Shadi Abou-Zahra" <shadi@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi James,
>>>
>>> Sorry if I was unclear.
>>>
>>> Your suggestion of removing "our world" has been addressed. It has been
>>> removed in the current online version already.
>>>
>>> The question is about also removing "That's the same for websites and
>>> apps". The counter suggestion to yours, is to make the sentence be:
>>>
>>> - "Also for websites and apps it is important to have colors with good
>>> contrast"
>>>
>>> The reason is to keep the terms "websites" and "apps" in there. Not sure
>>> that "sign, paper, or a screen" is helpful or confusing. Also, at this
>>> stage we can no longer make changes to the visuals / screen play. Only
>>> minor changes to the narration, so bear that in mind.
>>>
>>> How do you feel about the above suggested sentence?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>    Shadi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15.3.2016 20:31, Green, James wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the thoughtful consideration of my suggestion. :)
>>>>
>>>> To clarify the reason I suggested removing “the world” and “that’s the
>>>> same for websites and apps” - I still worry people will get hung up on the
>>>> visuals not being a real representation of our world.  If the voice track
>>>> talks about how "our world" can be frustrating with poor contrast but
>>>> doesn’t show a realistic example of that, people may be distracted and
>>>> question our analogy.
>>>>
>>>> So, my goal was to make the voice track place-agnostic so they could be
>>>> talking about the web from the beginning (though not overtly) - even though
>>>> the visuals start with the street signs to make the point that contrast
>>>> matters, it becomes evident that we could have been talking about websites
>>>> and apps all along.  That said, to then say “That’s the same for websites
>>>> and apps” seems very strange to me without the inclusion of “our world” in
>>>> the sentence before (and I feel strongly that “our world” needs to come out
>>>> of that first sentence).
>>>>
>>>> If you really want leave that second sentence in then I would reword it
>>>> so it’s not referring to something (“our world”) no longer there…    Maybe
>>>> say: “whether it’s on a sign, paper, or a screen…  (optional idea: have
>>>> person holding a paper map with low contrast, but don’t focus on it too
>>>> much)
>>>>
>>>> So… here is what I suggest:
>>>>
>>>> REMOVE PERIOD at end of 2 and CHANGE 3 to: whether it’s on a sign,
>>>> paper, or a screen…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CURRENT TEXT for reference:
>>>> 1. There’s something about great design that allows it to go
>>>> practically unnoticed...
>>>> 2.  But it doesn’t take much to make things confusing and frustrating.
>>>> Choosing colors with poor contrast makes navigating, reading, and
>>>> interacting a real pain.
>>>> 3. That’s the same for websites and apps. Good design means sufficient
>>>> contrast between foreground and background colors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MODIFIED TEXT per my suggestion:
>>>> 1. There’s something about great design that allows it to go
>>>> practically unnoticed...
>>>> 2.  But it doesn’t take much to make things confusing and frustrating.
>>>> Choosing colors with poor contrast makes navigating, reading, and
>>>> interacting a real pain
>>>> 3. whether it’s on a sign, paper, or a screen, good design means
>>>> sufficient contrast between foreground and background colors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/14/16, 3:47 PM, "Shadi Abou-Zahra" <shadi@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi James, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ref: https://github.com/w3c/wai-showcase-examples/pull/121/files
>>>>>
>>>>> James suggests to remove "That’s the same for websites and apps" from
>>>>> the narrative that currently reads:
>>>>> - "That’s the same for websites and apps. Good design means sufficient
>>>>> contrast between foreground and background colors."
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't feel strongly but we had some back and forth about it in the
>>>>> Task Force, so I want to get some broader perspectives before removal.
>>>>>
>>>>> My recollection is that this was to help transition from seeing the
>>>>> roadsigns change contrast and changing to the navigation app. It was
>>>>> pointed out that this transition may not be as evident, which is why
>>>>> this sentence was added by the Task Force.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brent and Adina, how do you feel about this suggestion?
>>>>>
>>>>> James, how strongly do you feel about it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>     Shadi
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
>>>>> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
>>>>> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> --
>>> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
>>> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
>>> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>>
>>>
> --
> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
> Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office
> W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>