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Re: Scheduling Mobile-Accessibility Overlap document review and publication

From: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:23:10 -0500
Message-ID: <486AA03E.2020603@w3.org>
To: achuter@technosite.es, yesilady@cs.man.ac.uk
Cc: wai-eo-editors <wai-eo-editors@w3.org>

Alan Chuter wrote:
> Hi Yeliz, Shawn (reading later),
> 
> I just want to comment on some of these points. I'm preparing a version 
> to publish probably Thursday as I'll be offline all day tomorrow.
> 
>  > - Audience: I deleted this section.  It was discussed in the EO meeting
>  > that that section could be added to the introduction document.
> The "introduction" document is an introduction to the subject in 
> general, it's not an introduction to this document. I think it should be 
> shortened a lot, but I don't think that moving it to a separate document 
> is at all logical.

hum... It looks like from the EOWG minutes, we all agreed to take it out...

>  > the public-bpwg-comments@w3.org for comments. If there is a public EO
>  > list, I think it would be good to add that as well.
> There is the WAI editors list and I've subscribed to it. There doesn't 
> seem to be too much traffic. You could subscribe too (send a message to 
>  'wai-eo-editors-request@w3.org' with "subscribe" as the subject). I've 
> included it.

I'm pretty sure that we decided at the time of the last publication to have all the comments go only to the public-bpwg-comments list. I think it would be too confusing to encourage public comment on two different lists...

...

>> > - TOC: Added HR before and after the TOC.
>> This should have a text associated with it. Any suggestions? I'm not 
>> convinced that this contributes anything to the clarity of the page.
> 
> We can add titles such as "separation from Main content " . I quite like 
> having those HRs, it gives a clear visual separation between the main 
> content and also the TOC. If you look at WCAG 1.0 and WCAG 2.0 specs, 
> they both have these.

I suggest not adding titles. I think that's unnecessary clutter. Good heading structure should be enough for screen reader users or others that don't see the <hr>s

I don't feel strongly either way about including <hr>s themselves or not...

...

>  > - Benefits of Overlapping Requirements: Changed this from "The problem
>  > of multiple overlapping requirements" to address the comments from
> I don't think that the overlaps are a really benefit (If they were then 
> we wouldn't be writing this document). What Shawn said (from the 
> minutes) is "managing overlapping requirements" which I think is better.

Well, the overlapping requirements are a benefit because if you do one, you're already part way towards meeting the other...

>  > - Differences between WCAG and MWBP: changed this from "priorities"
>  > and also added information about WCAG 2.0 SC levels.
> I think that this section as it stands is very specific. To widen so 
> much is misleading. It's not about all the differences between them, but 
> simply points out that one has priorities and the other doesn't. On the 
> other hand, it could be expanded to cover other differences. I agree 
> about the WCAG 2.0 levels.

I agree with Alan. The content of this section is only about the priorities/levels, and this the heading should reflect that... (although I'm not sure that this information is even necessary...)

> I've included your list of changes into the changelog.
> 
> I'm attaching the table I suggested. It's very simple, but I think 
> really that the bullet list is sufficient as-is. Do you think I should I 
> post it to the list?

I like both the table and the list -- although it might be redundant to have both in the end. I agree with including both for now and asking for additional comments...

> regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> Yeliz Yesilada escribió:
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> Please find attached an updated version of the overview document.
>>
>> I have done a lot of changes which mainly aimed at simplifying and 
>> organising this document. In summary, my changes are as follows:
>>
>> - Abstract: I have changed the abstract to make sure that we used the 
>> term "overlap" and added a link to the WAI introduction page as 
>> suggested in the EO meeting.
>> - Status of This Document: I have shortened this a lot and highlighted 
>> the public-bpwg-comments@w3.org for comments. If there is a public EO 
>> list, I think it would be good to add that as well.
>> - Audience: I deleted this section.  It was discussed in the EO 
>> meeting that that section could be added to the introduction document.
>> - TOC: Added HR before and after the TOC.
>> - How to Use This document: I have shortened this section a lot and 
>> deleted the table as it was discussed in the meeting that you would 
>> try alternative organisations so when we agree on a structure, we can 
>> add it here.
>> - Scope: I have shortened the scope and changed it to address the 
>> comments from the EO meeting.
>> - Benefits of Overlapping Requirements: Changed this from "The problem 
>> of multiple overlapping requirements" to address the comments from the 
>> EO meeting. I have also shortened this section. As it was discussed in 
>> the meeting, I am actually not sure if this section belongs here or 
>> may be we can move it to the introduction page.
>> - Differences between WCAG and MWBP: changed this from "proirities" 
>> and also added information about WCAG 2.0 SC levels.
>> - Appendix A: References: changed this from "Related Documents of 
>> Interest" and organised the list of resources as references.
>> - Appendix B: Glossary: changed this from "Special meanings of terms 
>> used in this document"
>> - Appendix C: Acknowledgements: changed this from "acknowledgements".
>>
>> If you think there is some crucial information missing, please let me 
>> know and we can add them in. If my changes are not clear or if you 
>> would like to discuss them, please let me know and we can arrange a 
>> time to discuss them on the phone.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Yeliz.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 Jun 2008, at 22:23, Shawn Henry wrote:
>>
>>> Background: At the 20 June teleconference, EOWG suggested several 
>>> changes to the first page of the Mobile-Accessibility Overlap 
>>> document at 
>>> <http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/latest>. 
>>> We did not get to the other pages before time ran out; however, I 
>>> don't think that anyone had other comments ready to discuss.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Hi Alan and Yeliz,
>>>
>>> It will be very tight to get the document published before ICCHP and 
>>> give EOWG adequate time for review, but I'm willing to try it.
>>>
>>> Here is a proposal:
>>> * Yeliz edit the first page and send it to Alan on Mon 23 or Tue 24
>>> * Alan publish updates on Tue 24 or Wed 25, and send a message to the 
>>> EOWG list asking that they send any comments via e-mail
>>> * EOWG review and send any comments in e-mail (or the survey)
>>> * Fri 27 June teleconference - discuss any comments sent in e-mail or 
>>> in the survey (Alan, please be prepared to facilitate this if needed. 
>>> Shadi will be chairing in my absence and he may or may not be 
>>> up-to-date with the issues.)
>>> * Fri 27 June after teleconference - Alan send email to Shawn with 
>>> status (e.g., there were no changes, or an updated version will be 
>>> available Monday...)
>>> * Mon 30 June - Alan post updated version, if there are any changes
>>> * Wed 2 July - EOWG completes survey 
>>> <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/mobile-ax-overlap-June2008/>
>>> * Thur 3, Mon 7 or Tue 8 July (depending on webmaster availability, 
>>> etc.) - publish Public Working Draft
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I will be offline all next week. You can reach me some 
>>> of the time via mobile phone at +1-608-347-2920. I will be back 
>>> online Monday 30 June and have scheduled time to work on this.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> ~Shawn
>>
> 
> 

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