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RE: Deadline: WAI-ARIA FAQ

From: Lisa Pappas <Lisa.Pappas@sas.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:37:33 -0500
To: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>, Sharron Rush <srush@knowbility.org>
CC: wai-eo-editors <wai-eo-editors@w3.org>
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Some comments in line. Where I haven't replied to Shawn's comments,
I agree and don't have further input.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Henry [mailto:shawn@w3.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 1:05 PM
> To: Sharron Rush
> Cc: Lisa Pappas; wai-eo-editors
> Subject: Re: Deadline: WAI-ARIA FAQ
>
> > Shawn, ...shall I rewrite with the ARIA/vendor neutral = no
> hacks/less costly?
>
> um... I dunno. At this point (wanting to wrap this up), if it's not a
> significant issue, I'd say just leave it as is for now... but  I'll
> leave it to Lisa to say if it's a significant issue and should be
> mentioned. :)

[LP: ] Let's leave it as is.

>
> >> Sorry, I've been meeting ALL day...literally...and have to race out
> in
> >> 5 minutes....but....
>
> And I didn't get access at all yesterday while traveling, though I
> expected to be able to. :(
>
> Some questions/comments from as much of a review as I can squeeze in
> right now:
>
> * Many answers are much simpler, shorter, and direct in this edit.
> Great job, Sharron!
>
> * in "2. What is WAI-ARIA intended to do?
> WAI-ARIA increases the accessibility of Web objects - often referred to
> as "widgets" - that are developed with AJAX, DHTML, and other
> technologies. Web widgets are portable pieces of executable code, in
> DHTML, JavaScript, and such, that are generally recognized user
> interface controls. WAI-ARIA defines roles for widgets and describes
> the states and properties that characterize them. This semantic
> information about these Web-based widgets is then available to
> assistive technologies, in the same way it is for traditional desktop
> applications.
> ":
> - I'm afraid "WAI-ARIA defines roles for widgets and describes the
> states and properties that characterize them." Will scare off some of
> our target audience for this FAQ. Perhaps adding a simple example would
> help? Lisa - can you provide this?

[LP: ] How's this:

WAI-ARIA increases the accessibility of Web pages and objects - often referred to as "widgets" - that are developed with AJAX, DHTML, and other technologies. With WAI-ARIA, developers can identify regions of pages, such as banners or an area that updates periodically, enabling non-mouse users to move directly to or among regions, rather than having to press Tab many times. Web widgets are portable pieces of executable code, in DHTML, JavaScript, and such, that are generally recognized user interface controls.

WAI-ARIA identifies common interface elements and describes how a developer can expect them to respond to user input (mouse clicks or keystrokes) or system changes. This data about the elements is then available to assistive technologies, in the same way it is for traditional desktop applications.

> - This still seems too focused only on widgets. What about the "new
> navigation techniques to mark common Web structures as menus, primary
> content, secondary content, banner information and other types of Web
> structures."? I feel that is still missing from this answer. Perhaps a
> short (one-sentence even) paragraph should be added to cover this
> aspect?
[LP: ]
> - Change "AJAX" to "Ajax" (pre previous decisions in EOWG, it is more
> commonly used as a "word" word than an acronym, including by it's
> creator <http://www.adaptivepath.com/ideas/essays/archives/000385.php>)
> - Low priority: Do you want to tighten this up so it's not repeating
> the technologies? "...that are developed with AJAX, DHTML, and other
> technologies. Web widgets are portable pieces of executable code, in
> DHTML, JavaScript, and such,..."
>
> * under "5. What are common accessibility barriers with widgets?"
> - typo in "Dynamic Web content, such as that rendered by widgets, may
> in inaccessible to people using assistive technologies."
>
> * In "4. To what types of widgets does WAI-ARIA apply?":
> - typo in: "WAI-ARIA techniques apply to widgets such as buttons, drop-
> down lists, calendar functions, tree controls (for example, expandable
> menus ), and others."
>
> * "5. What are common accessibility barriers with widgets?"
> - I continue to be uncomfortable with the heavy focus on widgets
> throughout this FAQ, and I'm not sure if that's my misunderstanding of
> the scope of ARIA or an issue with the FAQ. For example, the answer to
> this question and WAI-ARIA itself addresses more than widgets, such as
> changing content that can happen *without* any widgets, afaik. So I
> don't understand why you have widgets in this question, as opposed to
> something more broad like "What are common accessibility barriers that
> WAI-ARIA addresses?" or "What are common accessibility barriers that
> can be solved with WAI-ARIA?"
> - Secondly, I'd like to take another look at this questions and answer
> fits with the Overview, but will need to take more time on it than I
> have right now...
[LP: ]
Dynamic Web content may be in inaccessible to people using assistive technologies. Barriers to understanding may occur as page content changes and the availability of new content is not communicated to everyone. On the Web, user actions or time- or event-based updates can change the actual content and visual presentation of a page. This can happen without the knowledge of a user who does not see the screen, thereby causing him or her to lose new content. Barriers to page function may occur when central activities depend on one mode of input or navigation. ARIA techniques address these and other common barriers.
>
> * In "6. What does WAI-ARIA offer to improve Web accessibility?":
> - In "properties to define live regions of a page that are likely to
> get updates (such as stock quotes), as well as an interruption policy
> for those updates; critical updates may be presented in an alert
> dialog, while incidental updates may stream in a marquee control." I
> think you need to clarify what is any example. Also, I personally
> shuddered at "marquee control" partially because on potential
> accessibility issues. Is there another example or can we just leave it
> off? How about: "properties to define live regions of a page that are
> likely to get updates (such as stock quotes), as well as an
> interruption policy for those updates (for example, critical updates
> are presented in an alert dialog box and incidental updates are
> provided within the page)"
> - "a way to provide keyboard navigation for the web objects and events
> described above." limits it to those mentioned above. Instead, I think
> those are only examples. How about: "a way to provide keyboard
> navigation for web objects and events, such as those mentioned above."
[LP: ] Just leave off marquee and use Shawn's "How about"
> - Need to be consistent in punctuation on these. I think none should
> have a period, but I leave for you to choose. However, do need to fix:
> roles to describe the type of widget presented, such as "menu",
> "treeitem", "slider" and "progressmeter."
> - (Personally I think these would be easier to read if they started
> with capital letters, but I don't feel strongly on this and we don't
> have any strong style guidelines on this.)
> - In "roles to describe the structure of the web page, such as
> headings, regions, and tree grids." is 'tree grids" the same as 'tree
> controls'? If so, is there any reason not to use 'tree controls', which
> is the term used previously (ans also the one at least I am more
> familiar with).
>
> * In "7. What happens in current and older browsers when WAI-ARIA is
> implemented?"
> - typo & suggest adding "Web" to "page" just to clarify: "WAI-ARIA
> coding methods have no affect on how a page renders in older browsers
> ."
> - W3C style guide has Web always capitalized. (Though I personally
> don't agree with that, I've not felt it worth the time to address it,
> and so just do it. :)
>
> * In "8. Does WAI-ARIA significantly increase the amount of widget
> code?"
> - Why did you leave "widget" in the question text?
> - Generally, I like that you have simplified the answer. However, I
> still don't think it adequately addresses my previous issue: "[perhaps
> this answer is for browsers and AT, not Web sites? if so, need to
> clarify (and probably more down since that is a smaller audience)]"
> - I think you can further simplify it by deleting "- descriptions that
> provide information to assistive technologies -" from the first
> sentence, since this is pretty clear from the answers above.
>
> * For "10. Are there JavaScript toolkits that provide built-in WAI-ARIA
> support?
> Yes, some exist, and the number is growing. JavaScript toolkits that
> integrate ARIA techniques are making the technology increasingly
> practical for individual authors, who will be able to meet project
> accessibility requirements using keyboard and assistive technology
> support that is built-in.
> "
> - Can you just say "Yes, some JavaScript toolkits already have WAI-ARIA
> support built-in, and others are adding it." and leave off the rest of
> the text? - especially since the next question addresses it.
>
> * In "11. How can web developers implement WAI-ARIA?"
> - I think you want to change the colon to a period in "Include WAI-ARIA
> techniques in your custom widgets: When developing custom..."
> - Since we're publishing this along with the new WAI-ARIA docs, I think
> change "WAI will make documentation and examples available in early
> 2008." to "Documentation and examples are provided in the
> [@@Primer??@@Best Practices]."
>
> * Need to update the answer to "12. As a Web developer, what should I
> do with WAI-ARIA now?" since the documents will be available when the
> FAQ is published.
>
> * Misc typos
> - There are several places where there are extra spaces before periods
> and parenthesis. Sharron, could you do an edit pass through the
> document for those. (Some are noted above, but part way through I quit
> listing each of them.)
> - I think we need to use "WAI-ARIA" on first reference in each question
> and answer. See http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-aria-

> docs#terminology
>
> * Let's talk about "FAQ's" versus "FAQ"...
>
> All for now...
>
> ~Shawn
>
>
>
>

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