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Minutes: User Agent telecon 12 Feb 2015

From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 13:45:40 -0600
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User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 12 Feb 2015

See also: IRC log   http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-irc
<http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-irc>
Attendees
PresentJan, Jim_Allan, Jeanne, Greg_LowneyRegretskimChairJimAllanScribe
allanj
Contents

   - Topics <http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#agenda>
      1. changes in the Mobile Task Force Note Appendix
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#item01>
      2. 4.1.6 comments
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#item02>
      3. Action-1067 1.4
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#item03>
   - Summary of Action Items
   <http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#ActionSummary>

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<trackbot> Date: 12 February 2015

<scribe> scribe: allanj

open, Item 4

open item 4
changes in the Mobile Task Force Note Appendix

<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/MobileTechniques/

perhaps live in WAI space, temporary doc

<jeanne> http://w3c.github.io/Mobile-A11y-TF-Note/

The Note will be a first PWD

close item 4
4.1.6 comments

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0080.html

current wording:

4.1.6 Expose Additional Properties: For all user interface components,
including the UA user interface, rendered content, and generated content,
the user agent makes available the following, via a platform accessibility
service, if the properties are supported by the service: (Level AA)

> Bounding dimensions and coordinates

> Font family of text

> Font size of text

> Foreground and background color for text

> Change state/value notifications

suggest moving "change state/value notifications" to 4.1.2

add references in message to Reference doc for 4.1.6

gl: wording of 4.1.2 and 4.1.6 are different. should the be aligned
... add "if the properties are supported by the service:" to 4.1.2 to align
them
... this caveat, may limit accessibility, and can't comply because of the
platform limitations. is that appropriate.

jr: we have conformance language around the platform

<Jan> Platform: not applicable due constraints of the platform, per
Paragraph 7 above (e.g. color handling on a monochrome device, video
handling in a purely audio browser, or interprocess communication on an
operating system that does not support multitasking). Describe the specific
platform limitation.

<Greg> That is, without the explicit limitation a UA on a platform lacking
the full platform accessibility API would fail due to the platform, with
the limitation they would pass.

*RESOLUTION: remove "if the properties are supported by the service:" from
4.1.6*

discussion of notification

<Greg> I wish I could remember why notifications are not required for all
of the things in 4.1.2.

does allof 4.1.2 need notification

<Greg> Is it because originally notifications were a separate SC?

gl: query and be notified when the following change

a platform accessibility service can query and be notified by the user
agent when the following change

jr: accessibility service is in 508 and is a more generic term

*RESOLUTION: change all occurrences of "accessibility API" to
"accessibility service" in the document*

<Greg> It's already such a tortured paragraph. Adding this just makes it
even worse: 4.1.6 Expose Additional Properties: For all user interface
components, including the UA user interface, rendered content, and
generated content, the user agent makes available the following properties
available and provides notification when they change, via a platform
accessibility service, if the properties are...

<Greg> ...supported by the service: (Level AA)

perhaps put the change notification in the resource document

Expose Basic Properties: For all user interface components (including UA
user interface, rendered content, and generated content) the user agent
makes available, including change notifications, the following via a
platform accessibility service:

<Jan> 4.1.6 Expose Additional Properties: For all user interface components
(including the UA user interface, rendered content, and generated content),
the user agent makes available the following, via a platform accessibility
service

<Jan> Role (and role change notifications)

<Jan> State (and state change notifications)

gl: for every bullet:

<Greg> Ugly.

<jeanne> For all user interface components (e.g. the UA user interface,
rendered content, and generated content) , the user agent makes available
the following via a platform accessibility service provided the properties
are supported by the service: (Level AA)

<Jan> Expose Basic Properties: For all user interface components (including
UA user interface, rendered content, and generated content) the user agent
makes available the following properties and any change notifications via a
platform accessibility service:

*RESOLUTION: change 4.1.2 to " Expose Basic Properties: For all user
interface components (including UA user interface, rendered content, and
generated content) the user agent makes available the following properties
and any change notifications via a platform accessibility service:"*
... remove "change state/value notifications" from 4.1.6

close item 1

<Greg> "Platform accessibility API" was changed to "Platform accessibility
services" everywhere except (a) the Note for 4.1 and (b) the first example
for 4.1.4

<jeanne> *ACTION:* jeanne to fix terms: Platform Accessibility API changes
to Platform Accessibility Services [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1069 - Fix terms: platform accessibility api
changes to platform accessibility services [on Jeanne F Spellman - due
2015-02-19].

<jeanne> *ACTION:* jeanne to update 4.1.6 to parallel 4.1.2 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1070 - Update 4.1.6 to parallel 4.1.2 [on Jeanne
F Spellman - due 2015-02-19].
Action-1067 1.4

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0016.html

PROPOSAL #1: In 1.4.1 Basic text formatting (Globally) - REMOVE the note:

Note: Any user settings from the platform for these characteristics are
implemented.

PROPOSAL #2: 1.3.1 Distinguishable Highlighting - REMOVE the note:

Note: Any user settings from the platform for these characteristics are
implemented.

rationale: ed. The rationale for removing them is twofold: (1) the notes
are normative, meaning that any other implementation approach would be a
FAIL. (2) the notes could really apply much more widely (e.g. 1.3.3
Highlighting Active Keyboard Focus). In fact, we already have a conformance
applicability note:

- "Relationship with operating system or platform: The user agent does not
need to implement every behavior itself. A required behavior can be
provided by the platform, user agent, user agent extensions, or potentially
other layers. All are acceptable, as long as they are enumerated in the
conformance claim."

PROPOSAL #3: NEW SC 1.4.X: Default to platform text settings: The user can
specify that platform text settings be used as the default values for text
configuration. (Level AA)

gl: ff has a check box for use system color

<Greg> In Firefox, Tools menu, Options command, Content tab, Colors button,
Use system colors checkbox.

IE has the same thing for color

<Greg> Unfortunately no equivalent for Fonts.

PROPOSAL #4: CONSIDER aligning 5.1.3 more with ATAG2 A.1.2.1:

5.1.3 Implement Accessibility Features of the Platform: If the user agent
contains non-web-based user interfaces, then those user interfaces respect
platform accessibility settings and follow user interface accessibility
guidelines for the platform. (Level A)

A.1.2.1 Accessibility Guidelines: If the authoring tool contains
non-web-based user interfaces, then those non-web-based user interfaces
follow user interface accessibility guidelines for the platform. (Level A)

PROPOSAL #5: REVIEW notes for GL 1.4:

e.g.

Note 1 is incorrect: 1.4.5 included in both sentences

Note 3 should link to "Guideline 1.7 - Enable configuration of user
stylesheets"

*RESOLUTION: accept proposal 1,2,3 from
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0016.html
<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0016.html>*

proposal 4 - aligning with ATAG will eliminate the need to hunt for any
setting relevant to accessibility

ja: would make the wording simpler

<Greg> I suspect that taking out the phrase "respect platform accessibility
settings" will probably have no effect because the equivalent will usually
be covered by "follow user interface accessibility guidelines for the
platform", where those guidelines say to follow the settings.

*RESOLUTION: change to 5.1.3 Implement Accessibility Features of the
Platform: If the user agent contains non-web-based user interfaces, then
those non-web-based user interfaces follow user interface accessibility
guidelines for the platform. (Level A)*

<jeanne> *ACTION:* Jeanne to add Jan's proposal for 1.4.x from
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0016.html
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1071 - Add jan's proposal for 1.4.x from
https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/w3c-wai-ua/2015janmar/0016.html [on
Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-02-19].

<jeanne> *ACTION:* Jeanne to change 5.1.3 to 5.1.3 Implement Accessibility
Features of the Platform: If the user agent contains non-web-based user
interfaces, then those non-web-based user interfaces follow user interface
accessibility guidelines for the platform. (Level A) [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1072 - Change 5.1.3 to 5.1.3 implement
accessibility features of the platform: if the user agent contains
non-web-based user interfaces, then those non-web-based user interfaces
follow user interface accessibility guidelines for the platform. (level a)
[on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-02-19].

gl: put 1.4 note 2 in the applicability notes

jr: +1

<jeanne> *ACTION:* jeanne to move 1.4 Note 2 to the Conformance
Applicability Notes [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1073 - Move 1.4 note 2 to the conformance
applicability notes [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-02-19].

gl: note 3 and 4 seem fine.

*RESOLUTION: remove note 1 in 1.4*

<jeanne> *ACTION:* remove 1.4 note 1 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Error finding 'remove'. You can review and register nicknames at
<http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/users>.
 Summary of Action Items *[NEW]* *ACTION:* Jeanne to add Jan's proposal for
1.4.x from
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0016.html
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action03]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* Jeanne to change 5.1.3 to 5.1.3 Implement Accessibility
Features of the Platform: If the user agent contains non-web-based user
interfaces, then those non-web-based user interfaces follow user interface
accessibility guidelines for the platform. (Level A) [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action04]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* jeanne to fix terms: Platform Accessibility API changes
to Platform Accessibility Services [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action01]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* jeanne to move 1.4 Note 2 to the Conformance
Applicability Notes [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action05]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* jeanne to update 4.1.6 to parallel 4.1.2 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action02]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* remove 1.4 note 1 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/02/12-ua-minutes.html#action06]

[End of minutes]

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Accessibility Coordinator & Webmaster
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
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