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Minutes of UAWG Teleconference of 29 January 2015

From: Jeanne Spellman <jeanne@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:08:33 -0500
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To: UAWG <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
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http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html


Text of Minutes:
    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

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     User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

29 Jan 2015

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Jeanne, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, Jan

    Regrets
           Jim

    Chair
           jeanne

    Scribe
           Jan

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015
          2. [5]Followup comments on Text Customization in UAAG
          3. [6]I had suggested more element-level customization at
             Level AAA...
          4. [7]Word spacing seems to be missing all together
          5. [8]re: Note: Any user settings from the platform for
             these characteristics are implemented.
          6. [9]ACTION-1065: Write an intro paragraph for uaag 2.0
             conformance
      * [10]Summary of Action Items
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    <trackbot> Date: 29 January 2015

    <jeanne> applicability notes

    <jeanne> agenda: Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015

Followup from previous meeting 8 January 2015

    <jeanne> RESOLUTION: UA documents will use "installed fonts"
    and "platform colors" - additional fonts can be

    <jeanne> installed, colors only exist on the platform

    <jeanne>
    [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0
    071.html

      [11] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0071.html

Followup comments on Text Customization in UAAG

    <jeanne>
    [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0
    071.html

      [12] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0071.html

    <jeanne> Jan: I'm suggesting in A level in 1.4.1 and adding the
    word normal

    Text style (normal, underline, italic, bold)

    Text style, choosing to turn off underline, italic, bold

    Text style, choosing to turn on/off underline, italic, bold

    <jeanne> RESOLUTION: add bullet point to 1.4.1 'Text style,
    choosing to turn on/off underline, italic, bold"

    <scribe> Scribe: Jan

    <Greg> "Text size (e.g. 18pt) or scale (e.g. 150%)" ?

    <Greg> "Text size and scale (e.g. 18pt, 150%)" ?

    Text size (e.g. 18pt) or text scale (e.g. 150%)

    RESOLUTION: In 1.4.2 "Text size or scale"change to --> Text
    size (e.g. 18pt) or text scale (e.g. 150%)
    ... In 1.4.2 "Text size or scale"change to --> Text size (e.g.
    18 point) or text scale (e.g. 150%)

    <jeanne> shawn's comments from 2013 <-
    [13]http://www.tader.info/understanding.html

      [13] http://www.tader.info/understanding.html

    <jeanne> Last Call <-
    [14]http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-UAAG20-20131107/#gl-text-confi
    g

      [14] http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-UAAG20-20131107/#gl-text-config

    <jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to go back to shawn on MISSING AAA - we
    don't think anything is missing except word spacing. [recorded
    in [15]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1066 - Go back to shawn on missing
    aaa - we don't think anything is missing except word spacing.
    [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-02-05].

I had suggested more element-level customization at Level AAA...

Word spacing seems to be missing all together

    <Greg> Jeanne thinks we removed it because it’s not a major
    accessibility issue, and we knew of no UA that does it other
    than with CSS.

    JR: New bullet in 1.4.5 Word spacing, choosing from a range
    with at least 5 values
    ... New bullet in 1.4.5 Word spacing

    RESOLUTION: New bullet in 1.4.5...- Word spacing

re: Note: Any user settings from the platform for these
characteristics are implemented.

    <jeanne> 5.1.3 refers to the accessibility rules of the
    platform, not the user settings

    <jeanne> Jan: If we want this, it should be a SC at AA

    <jeanne> Jeanne: Microsoft asked for this

    <jeanne> Jan: I think it is good as a user interface continuity
    perspective. I hate to fail other browsers for this. I want to
    take out the Note in 1.4.1 and write a new SC at level AA.

    <scribe> ACTION: Jan to Propose some way to handle the inherit
    properties from OS issue [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1067 - Propose some way to handle the
    inherit properties from os issue [on Jan Richards - due
    2015-02-05].

    Referring to note in 1.4.1

    JR: Points out 1.4.3 and 1.4.4 lack Reference buttons
    ... 1.4.4 has a-b-c numbering of bullets instead of bullets
    ... 1.4.5 Extra <strong> in handle

    GL: Extra white space before bullets in 1.4.4
    ... Note for 1.4.5 has the wrong class and so has too much
    whitepace and is not indented
    ... Should use class="sc-notes"
    ... 1.10.1 also erroneously uses lettered lists

    JR: ATAG uses UL but with text letters (a), (b), etc.

    <Greg> Personally for technical documents I prefer unordered
    lists to be lettered so that items can be referred to by a
    unique ID; otherwise people have to count bullets. (Ordered
    lists would be numbered.)

ACTION-1065: Write an intro paragraph for uaag 2.0 conformance

    <jeanne>
    [17]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/
    0095.html

      [17] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2014OctDec/0095.html

    [18]http://w3c.github.io/UAAG/UAAG20/#applicability-notes

      [18] http://w3c.github.io/UAAG/UAAG20/#applicability-notes

    JR: "The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of
    normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success
    criteria in these guidelines. These conditions must be
    satisfied for conformance. "

    <Greg> Jeanne pointed out that most of the Applicability Notes
    are making SC less restrictive, rather than more as the
    proposed intro paragraph implies.

    The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative
    conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria
    in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify success
    criteria under certain edge conditions.

    The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative
    conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria
    in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the
    success criteria would apply under certain edge conditions.

    The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative
    conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria
    in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the
    success criteria would apply under certain conditions.

    The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of normative
    conditions that apply broadly to many of the success criteria
    in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how the
    success criteria would apply under certain circumstances.

    <jeanne> +1

    <Greg> +1

    <Kim> +1

    RESOLUTION: To add this paragraph above the Applicability
    notes: "The Conformance Applicability Notes are a list of
    normative conditions that apply broadly to many of the success
    criteria in these guidelines. Generally, the notes clarify how
    the success criteria would apply under certain circumstances."

    JR: Proposal to add text pointer to the Conformance section:
    "The Conformance Applicability Notes must also be satisfied."

    The *Conformance Applicability Notes* provide additional
    guidance on the applicability of the success criteria under
    certain circumstances.

    In order for a web page to conform to UAAG 2.0, one of the
    following levels of conformance is met in full.

    -Level A: For level A conformance (the minimum level of
    conformance), the user agent satisfies all the Level A success
    criteria.

    -Level AA: For level AA conformance (recommended), the user
    agent satisfies all level A and level AA Success Criteria.

    -Level AAA: For level AAA conformance (advanced), the user
    agent satisfies all level A, level AA and level AAA Success
    Criteria.

    The *Conformance Applicability Notes* provide additional
    guidance on the applicability of the success criteria under
    certain circumstances.

    Although conformance can only be achieved at the stated levels,
    developers are encouraged to report (in their claim) any
    progress toward meeting success criteria from all levels beyond
    the achieved level of conformance.

    RESOLUTION: In the Conformance Reqs section: Add the paragraph:
    "The *Conformance Applicability Notes* provide additional
    guidance on the applicability of the success criteria under
    certain circumstances." after the bulleted list (as shown
    above) and then REMOVE "Note:" from the next sentence ("
    Although conformance can only be achieved at the stated levels,
    developers are encouraged to...
    ... report (in their claim) any progress toward meeting success
    criteria from all levels beyond the achieved level of
    conformance. ")

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: Jan to Propose some way to handle the inherit
    properties from OS issue [recorded in
    [19]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: jeanne to go back to shawn on MISSING AAA - we
    don't think anything is missing except word spacing. [recorded
    in [20]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/29-ua-minutes.html#action01]

    [End of minutes]
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