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Minutes: User Agent telecon 2 April 2015

From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 13:57:51 -0500
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To: WAI-ua <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
from http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html
User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 02 Apr 2015

See also: IRC log  http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-irc
<http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-irc>
Attendees
PresentJim_Allan, Jeanne, Jan, +1.617.435.aaaa, kim, Greg_LowneyRegretsChair
SV_MEETING_CHAIRScribeallanj
Contents

   - Topics <http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#agenda>
      1. UAAG Completion Plan
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#item01>
      2. exit criteria <http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#item02>
      3. comments from Shawn
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#item03>
      4. 1.4.1 and 1.4.2
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#item04>
      5. shawn comment 3
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#item05>
      6. sh comment 3 <http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#item06>
      7. shawn comment 4
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#item07>
      8. shawn comments 1 April
      <http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#item08>
   - Summary of Action Items
   <http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#ActionSummary>

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<trackbot> Date: 02 April 2015

http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Main_Page#Implementation

<jeanne> UAAG Completion plan ->
https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/UAAG_2.0_Completion_Plan

<scribe> scribe: allanj
UAAG Completion Plan

https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/UAAG_2.0_Completion_Plan

jr: this is good.

open item 4
exit criteria

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0050.html

js: discussion of rendering engine vs UA UI

2. Test Implementations: Perform these tests and verify at least two
results on user agents, and to the extent needed, combinations of user
agents and extensions.

<jeanne> http://w3c.github.io/UAAG/UAAG20/#def-extension

js: use def of user agent add-0n instead of extensions

gl: should we clarify in the def that AT is not an add-on

proposal: 2. Test Implementations: Perform these tests and verify at least
two results on user agents, and to the extent needed, combinations of user
agents and user agent add-ons.

js: with a link to def of add-ons

<jeanne> http://w3c.github.io/UAAG/UAAG20/#def-extension

<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Latest_Draft_of_Exit_Criteria

*RESOLUTION: Exit Criteria is
https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Latest_Draft_of_Exit_Criteria
<https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Latest_Draft_of_Exit_Criteria>*

<Greg> Implementation Note 9: Relationship with operating system or
platform: The user agent does not need to implement every behavior itself.
A required behavior can be provided by the platform, user agent, user agent
extensions, or potentially other layers. All are acceptable, as long as
they are enumerated in the conformance claim.

<Greg> In Implementation Note 9 we should change "extensions" to our newer,
broader term, "add-ons".

<scribe> *ACTION:* jeanne change "extensions" to our newer, broader term,
"add-ons" in the document [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1077 - Change "extensions" to our newer, broader
term, "add-ons" in the document [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-04-09].

close item 4

<scribe> *ACTION:* jeanne add a note to Def of User agent to reference
applicability notes #8 and #9 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1078 - Add a note to def of user agent to
reference applicability notes #8 and #9 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due
2015-04-09].
comments from Shawn

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0046.html

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0055.html

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015AprJun/0000.html

<jeanne>
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2015Apr/0000.html

s/ https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/0046.html/

<jeanne>
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2015Apr/0000.html

use the following links

https://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/work/wiki/Comment_Response_20_March_2015

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2015Apr/0000.html
1.4.1 and 1.4.2

1.4.1 is A, 1.4.2 is AA

all agree to use line space from 1.4.1 in 1.4.2

*RESOLUTION: line space statement in bullet 4 from 1.4.1 in 1.4.2*
shawn comment 3

proposal:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2015JanMar/att-0059/00-part

ja: accept proposal

jr: +1

gl: _1
... +1

*RESOLUTION: accepted proposal for second item.*
sh comment 3

SLH: [in response to SH02] I agree that most UAs today provide zoom at any
increment - yeah! I do still think it is *very important that the standard
include what users need*, even if it is already implemented in today's UAs
-- to ensure that it is included in future UAs.

in reference to 1.8.5

<jeanne> http://jspellman.github.io/UAAG-LC-Comment/

gl: could put # of steps

js: in the intent, the most needed range is between 200 and 400%, with 6
steps
... in the intent, the most needed range is between 150% and 400%, with 6
steps, or user can set own percentage

<jeanne> The commonly needed range is between 150-400%. Provide 6 steps in
that range, or let the user set their own exact percentage.

*RESOLUTION: modifying intent to include "The commonly needed range is
between 150-400%. Provide 6 steps in that range, or let the user set their
own exact percentage."*

<jeanne> *ACTION:* Jeanne to add the text above to the Intent of 1.8.5
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1079 - Add the text above to the intent of 1.8.5
[on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-04-09].

<jeanne> Jan amends" A commonly needed range is between 150-400%. Provide 6
steps in that range, or let the user set their own exact percentage.

*RESOLUTION: modifying intent to include "The commonly needed range is
between 150-400%. A user agent could provide 6 steps in that range, or let
the user set their own exact percentage."*

<Jan> A user agent could provide 5 or 6 steps in that range or let the user
set their own exact percentage.
shawn comment 4

*RESOLUTION: response borders in 1.4.6, margins are in 1.4.3*
shawn comments 1 April

sh: It seems the idea of "text... fits within the width of the viewport" is
missing. Is this supposed to be covered in 1.8.14? If so, can you add that
wording, e.g,. "The user can have the user agent override author-specified
unit dimensions, so the text fits within the width of the viewport." ?

jr: we broke 1.8.7 in to multiple sc for testing purposes. we could not
find an easy way to globally text a broad SC

*RESOLUTION: we broke 1.8.7 in to multiple sc (1.8.13, 14, 15) for testing
purposes. we could not find an easy way to globally test a broad SC. UAWG
does not believe we have lost any functionality.*

<Greg> Perhaps in the Intent and/or Summary we can say something like SC
1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work together to..."

<Greg> "... allow users to work with enlarged text without having to scroll
horizontally."

<scribe> *ACTION:* jeanne add to intent "SC 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work
together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to use
horizontal scrolling" [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1080 - Add to intent "sc 1.8.13 through 1.8.15
work together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to
use horizontal scrolling" [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-04-09].

<scribe> *ACTION:* jeanne add to intent "SC 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work
together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to scroll
horizontally" [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1081 - Add to intent "sc 1.8.13 through 1.8.15
work together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to
scroll horizontally" [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2015-04-09].

close action-1080

<trackbot> Closed action-1080.

rrsagent: make minutes

rrsagent: make minutes
 Summary of Action Items *[NEW]* *ACTION:* jeanne add a note to Def of User
agent to reference applicability notes #8 and #9 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#action02]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* jeanne add to intent "SC 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work
together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to scroll
horizontally" [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#action05]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* jeanne add to intent "SC 1.8.13 through 1.8.15 work
together to allow users to work with enlarged text without having to use
horizontal scrolling" [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#action04]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* jeanne change "extensions" to our newer, broader term,
"add-ons" in the document [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#action01]
*[NEW]* *ACTION:* Jeanne to add the text above to the Intent of 1.8.5
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/04/02-ua-minutes.html#action03]

[End of minutes]

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[image: http://www.tsbvi.edu] <http://www.tsbvi.edu>Jim Allan,
Accessibility Coordinator & Webmaster
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315    fax: 512.206.9264  http://www.tsbvi.edu/
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