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Minutes: UAWG 1 March 2012

From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 13:17:24 -0600
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User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
01 Mar 2012

See also: IRC log  http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-ua-irc
Attendees

Present
    Jim, Kelly, Jeanne, Greg
Regrets
Chair
    jimallan, KellyFord
Scribe
    kford

Contents

    Topics
        Discussion on guideline levels
        Addition to IER for 1.1.3 Browse and Render
    Summary of Action Items

<trackbot> Date: 01 March 2012

<scribe> Scribe: kford

JS: Talking about experience yesterday going through spreadsheet to
assign ratings.
... Leanred two things, moved relatively quickly. Surprised at how
many items were initially a 5 but when we probed, we had more 3 or 2.

<JAllan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012JanMar/0067.html

JS: When we finished we found 4 that were obvious that priority should
be lowered.

<JAllan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012JanMar/0065.html
Discussion on guideline levels

JS: Overall we think spreadsheet is a good tool but taking to long.
... We think we should group up and look only at level A items.
... 72 of 115 SC are level A. Believe target should be 35.

JS What does the group think?

Silence.

JR: I think we need to be certain that SC are done, no more dupes,
missing, changes.

GL: Can we lock down on some of these.
... These being the SC.

JR: We are marking in ATAG what text is still open directly in the document.

GL: I'm a fan of keeping info on one place.

More discussion on locking down.

<JAllan> kf: hearing 2 things. using @@ and trying to adjust priority.

<JAllan> js: want to reduce number of SC (currently 115), wcag 30+ atag ~60

<JAllan> ja: chairs need to review the document for what needs
attention, what items are outstanding

<JAllan> kf: ask all to review action items, clear out what is no
longer needed, hilite those that still need attention

<JAllan> ... need to mark up in the document what items are finished
and not touch them again.

<JAllan> ... tried to do that at last f2f, but we have retouched alot
things we thought were finished.

<JAllan> kf: where are we?

<JAllan> jr: there is a fuzziness. not sure what is finished. need to
mark in the document not an external list.

<JAllan> ... need to remove some SC (that are implied by other SC)

<JAllan> kf: SC in 3 states, 1)done, open 2)actions-not done, 3) we don't know!

<JAllan> jr: add @@ to everything. then correct as needed

<JAllan> js: don't want to do this, will clutter the document.

<JAllan> kf: how will I know if 1.1.1 is done or not yet

<JAllan> gl: open actions, proposals, they need @@

<JAllan> ... or things with NO in the spreadsheet

<JAllan> js: can put @@ and action number by every item necessary.

<JAllan> kf: balance of opinions.

<JAllan> jr: @@ on NOs in CA and all things we didn't touch in CA

<JAllan> jim and jeanne Ok

<JAllan> kf: want to get document in state that we know whats
happening by next week

<JAllan> ...what can be cut out, what lowered in priority.

<JAllan> kf: done with that.

JA: We have a new proposal.

<JAllan> New example for 2.1.4.

<JAllan> Jenny's wordprocessing app uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog
box. Her web browser also uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box. She
opens a hotkey reassignment feature in the user agent, and sets
Shift+Ctrl+f to be the new hotkey for the find dialog box in her
wordprocessing app.

<JAllan> Note: This replaces the Elaine example, which moves to 2.1.9

JA: Wrote new sentence in intent and example for an item.
... That was Kim who did this for 2.1.4

<JAllan> 2.1.4 Specify preferred keystrokes (former 2.1.2):

<JAllan> The user can override any keyboard shortcut including
recognized author supplied shortcuts (e.g. accesskeys) and user
interface controls, except for conventional bindings for the operating
environment (e.g. arrow keys for navigating within menus). (Level A)

<JAllan> gl: if they are separate applications it doesn't make any sense.

<JAllan> jr: change wordprocessing to webapp

<JAllan> gl: or wordprocessing webapp, or wordprocessor is hosted in the browser

<Greg> Jenny's web-based wordprocessing app uses Ctrl+f to open a find
dialog box. She runs it hosted in her user agent, which also uses
Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box. She opens a hotkey reassignment
feature in the user agent, and sets Shift+Ctrl+f to be the new hotkey
for the find dialog box in her wordprocessing app.

<JAllan> jr: the SC is taling about an ACCESSKEY,

<JAllan> gl: html5 events and commands are recognized by the browser.
and the author can assign kebindings

<JAllan> gl: this is confusing. we are not always clear about content
or interface

Group continuing to discuss what the SC means.

<JAllan> jan: we should be able to remap the accesskey html5 commands
etc. if the browser understands the keybinding it can modify it
Addition to IER for 1.1.3 Browse and Render

<jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to add the above test to 2.1.4 example.
Jenny's web-based wordprocessing app uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog
box. She runs it hosted in her user agent, which also uses Ctrl+f to
open a find dialog box. She opens a hotkey reassignment feature in the
user agent, and sets Shift+Ctrl+f to be the new hotkey for the find
dialog box in her wordprocessing app. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-ua-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-718 - Add the above test to 2.1.4 example.
Jenny's web-based wordprocessing app uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog
box. She runs it hosted in her user agent, which also uses Ctrl+f to
open a find dialog box. She opens a hotkey reassignment feature in the
user agent, and sets Shift+Ctrl+f to be the new hotkey for the find
dialog box in her wordprocessing app. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due
2012-03-08].

<JAllan> "Note: Although it is not required, user agents are also
encouraged to let the user replace time-based media with their
alternatives (e.g. replacing a video with its transcript) or
supplement non-time-based media with their alternatives (e.g.
displaying alternative text or long description beneath an image)."

<JAllan> this text is for 1.1.2

<JAllan> the above would be a note after the following

<JAllan> Intent of Success Criterion 1.1.2:

<JAllan> a. There are times when users cannot gain meaningful
information from images, charts, graphs, etc. (non-time-based media
elements).The author may have provided synchronized alternatives for
the media. Users should be able to easily discover the synchronized
alternatives provided, and have them render synchronously with the
default media.

<JAllan> b. There are times when a user cannot gain meaningful
information from a non-time-based media element (images, charts,
graphs, etc.). The author may have provided alternatives for this. The
user should be able to easily discover the alternatives provided, and
have them render in place of the default media.

<JAllan> "Note: Although it is not required, user agents are also
encouraged to let the user replace time-based media with their
alternatives (e.g. replacing a video with its transcript) or
supplement non-time-based media with their alternatives (e.g.
displaying alternative text or long description beneath an image).

<JAllan> js: thinks we will run into issues with the note. big area of
controversy in html5/aria about hiding text

<JAllan> gl: more specificity please

<JAllan> discussion about hidden content

<jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2012Feb/

<JAllan> current note on SC is Note: User agents are encouraged to
also provide the ability to display alternate content with, rather
than replacing, the primary content (e.g. as a pop-up, tooltip, or
annotation).

JA: We are not taking this proposal.

<JAllan> zaki8m, make minutes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to add the above test to 2.1.4 example. Jenny's
web-based wordprocessing app uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box.
She runs it hosted in her user agent, which also uses Ctrl+f to open a
find dialog box. She opens a hotkey reassignment feature in the user
agent, and sets Shift+Ctrl+f to be the new hotkey for the find dialog
box in her wordprocessing app. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-ua-minutes.html#action01]

[End of minutes]

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Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator & Webmaster
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
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"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
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