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Re: Action 712 (fast)

From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:08:26 -0500
Message-ID: <CA+=z1W=bT-8Jk5YXw+1VFL-eWGV-ZNvYa-YxetCPDfJHWjvRCg@mail.gmail.com>
To: WAI-ua <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Si,
are you wanting A or AAA. I think A from your previous emails. Just
wanting to clarify.

Jim

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Simon Harper
<simon.harper@manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
> Also fine for me - but not the AA.
>
>
> Si.
>
> PS I check my email at 08:00 and 17:00 GMT. If you require a faster response
> please include the word 'fast' in the subject line.
>
> =======================
> Simon Harper
> http://simon.harper.name/about/card/
>
> University of Manchester (UK)
> Web Ergonomics Lab - Information Management Group
> http://wel.cs.manchester.ac.uk
>
>
> On 11/04/12 18:30, Jeanne Spellman wrote:
>>
>> The grammar is a little awkward.  I would propose:
>>
>> Delete 1.2.1 & 1.2.2
>>
>> Add:
>> 1.2.X Provide Available Information: If missing or empty alternative
>> content or associations are recognized, the user agent will notify the user
>> and provide a mechanism to relate all available metadata to the user upon
>> request. (Level AA)
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> Existing:
>> 1.2.1 Repair Missing Alternatives:
>>
>> The user can specify whether or not the user agent should generate and
>> render repair text (e.g. file name) when it recognizes that the author has
>> not provided alternative content. (Level A) @@ 712
>>
>> 1.2.2 Repair Empty Alternatives:
>>
>> The user can specify whether or not the user agent should generate and
>> render repair text (e.g. file name) when it recognizes that the author has
>> provided empty alternative content. (Level AAA) @@ 712
>>
>> 1.2.3 Repair Missing Associations:
>>
>> The user can specify whether or not the user agent should attempt to
>> predict associations from author-specified presentation attributes (i.e.
>> position and appearance). (Level AAA) ## DONE TPAC
>>
>> 1.2.4 Broken Alternative Content:
>>
>> The user can be notified when the user agent cannot render alternative
>> content (e.g. when captions are broken). (Level AAA)## DONE 5 April 2012
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/11/2012 10:32 AM, Jim Allan wrote:
>>>
>>> Jan,
>>> I think you've captured it.
>>> The level from 1.2.x from Simon's emails is more than AAA. On a basic
>>> level (missing alts, mismatched or missing label/id) this is
>>> implementable. I am sure there are more complex
>>> alternatives/associations with HTML or other technologies. I can live
>>> with AA level. I agree that there is little likely hood of anyone
>>> complying with 1.2.x at AAA.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Richards, Jan<jrichards@ocadu.ca>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the list of changes...but what would be most helpful is a
>>>> listing of the actual final proposed SCs. My guess from your emails is that
>>>> the 4 SCs currently in GL1.2 will be replaced by just these two:
>>>>
>>>> 1.2.3 Repair Missing Associations: The user can specify whether or not
>>>> the user agent should attempt to predict associations from author-specified
>>>> presentation attributes (i.e. position and appearance). (Level AAA) ## DONE
>>>> TPAC
>>>>
>>>> 1.2.X HANDLE ???: In situations where missing or empty alternative
>>>> content or associations can be identified, and when those elements achieve
>>>> focus, the user agent will notify the user, and provide a mechanism to
>>>> relate all available metadata to the user, upon their request. Thereby,
>>>> enabling the user to take appropriate alternative action. Level???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> (Mr) Jan Richards, M.Sc.
>>>> jrichards@ocadu.ca | 416-977-6000 ext. 3957 | fax: 416-977-9844
>>>> Inclusive Design Research Centre (IDRC) | http://idrc.ocad.ca/
>>>> Faculty of Design | OCAD University
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Simon Harper [mailto:simon.harper@manchester.ac.uk]
>>>>> Sent: April 11, 2012 3:00 AM
>>>>> To: Richards, Jan
>>>>> Cc: UAWG list
>>>>> Subject: Re: Action 712
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jan,
>>>>>
>>>>> So let me try and simplify:
>>>>> 1) I think 1.2.1 and 1.2.2 are redundant - no one will implement them
>>>>> at AAA,
>>>>> and technology isn't really good enough just yet; but we should present
>>>>> the
>>>>> information we have (the information we would have to present to the
>>>>> computational algorithm for it to try and repair) to the user.
>>>>> 2) lets remove both 1.2.1 and 1.2.2.
>>>>> 3) 1.2.4 seems good but needs extending with the remnants of 1.2.1 and
>>>>> 1.2.2 so that it presents the information (the information we would
>>>>> have to
>>>>> present to the computational algorithm - 1.2.1 and 1.2.2 - for it to
>>>>> try and
>>>>> repair) too.
>>>>> 4) 1.2.3 is aspirational and seems OK - it's not much possible right
>>>>> now but
>>>>> we've agreed it so it's fine. I think 1.2.3 gets applied first and then
>>>>> (1.2.1+.2+.4) my suggestion when 1.2.3 fails.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also say my suggestion could be applied in the case of a missing
>>>>> association too - in that we recognize something is missing, the user
>>>>> is
>>>>> notified, if they ask for it the (form field, say) information is
>>>>> provided to
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this clarify?
>>>>>
>>>>> Si.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS I check my email at 08:00 and 17:00 GMT. If you require a faster
>>>>> response
>>>>> please include the word 'fast' in the subject line.
>>>>>
>>>>> =======================
>>>>> Simon Harper
>>>>> http://simon.harper.name/about/card/
>>>>>
>>>>> University of Manchester (UK)
>>>>> Web Ergonomics Lab - Information Management Group
>>>>> http://wel.cs.manchester.ac.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/04/12 18:55, Richards, Jan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a lot going on in your message. Can you please list all of
>>>>>> the success
>>>>>
>>>>> criteria that would be present in your rewording of Guideline 1.2?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>



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