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Minutes: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 15 July 2010

From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:50:27 -0500
To: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
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From: http://www.w3.org/2010/07/15-ua-minutes.html

User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15 Jul 2010

See also: IRC log http://www.w3.org/2010/07/15-ua-irc
Attendees

Present
    AllanJ, kford, Greg, +44.797.663.aaaa, patrickhlauke, sharper
Regrets
    Jeanne, Kim
Chair
    Jim_Allan_Kelly_Ford
Scribe
    Allanj

Contents

    * Topics
         1. Action Item Review
         2. Tracking UAAG implementations
    * Summary of Action Items

<trackbot> Date: 15 July 2010

<patrickhlauke> is the bridge connection fixed, or do we have alternative
yet?

<Greg> The new dial-in number for the UK is +44.203.318.0479 (London)

<scribe> scribe: Allanj

discussion of times, tenatively schedule time for Aug 2 & 3,

scribe: work out details next week
Action Item Review

http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open

kf: all set realistic date for due dates. Kelly to send out list on Monday
Tracking UAAG implementations

<patrickhlauke> splintered@gmail.com

discussion of form

WCAG 2.0 Test Suite http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/

UAAG 1.0 Test Suite http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/

Patrick - Opera, Kelly - IE,

HTML 4.01 Test Suite http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/HTML401/current/

Microsoft IE Test Center - http://samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter/

kf: if you support MSAA or IAccessible2 or any other accessibility platform
architecture then to provide role, state, value, name, and description

ARIA test examples - http://test.cita.uiuc.edu/aria/

discussion of SC 3.1.1 -

pl: would say no browser supports this

gl: could write a user style sheet to put text in the page to indicate
presence of alternative content

kf: do we think this is a level A SC.

gl: could turn on globally.

kf: in IE could turn off images, then alt is revealed.

gl: idea is for alternative content. turn off images, IE shows alt, page has
100 images, could navigate to every image to see which have long desc. or
the UA could have a feature that would display some icon, or list those
images with long desc.

<Greg> A use case for 3.1.1 would be a user turns off images and views a Web
page with a hundred images, three of which have longdesc. The browser shows
the alt text for all the images, and because of the user's preference
settings also annotates those three to indicate they have longdesc
available. The user can then navigate to those specific images and issue a
command to open their corresponding...

<Greg> ...longdesc pages, rather than having to test every one of the
hundred images in case they might have longdesc.

kf: what do we mean here. How does IE get a yes for 3.1.1?
... have an object tag, it lets you specify internal content if object is
not displayed. if it is displayed does the UA need to indicate that
alternative content exits.

gl: reads from the implementation document.

sh: are we including extensions or plain vanilla UA

<sharper> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3168/

gl: yes. need to add another column, supported natively or with an extension
(must name extension in notes)

<Greg> Possible values are Yes (natively), Yes (with available extensions or
style sheets), Potentially (extensions or style sheets can be created to do
this), or No.

gl: should say explicitly what we don't want.

<Greg> Specifically probably don't need to identify fallback content such as
the content of an object tag, since 99% of the time that's just "You need to
install the such-and-so player".

pl: 3.1.1 is related to 3.1.2-5

ja: lots of use cases for having a list of alternative content is important.

kf: proposes a survey for UA implementations.
... or we just fill out spreadsheet.

pl: these questions are useful. note questions...what exactly does this
mean? discuss on next call

gl: before implementations, must have explicit test cases.

kf: have to decide what exactly we mean.

gl: both, together
... try review GL 3 across browsers, note questions, misunderstandings,
extensions. send to list

<Greg> Patrick pointed out another value: N/A (not applicable, e.g. voice
output requirements are not applicable to a user agent that does not
self-voice)
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]

Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator & Webmaster
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315    fax: 512.206.9264  http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
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