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User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference - 13 May 2010

From: Simon Harper <simon.harper@manchester.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:31:35 +0100
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User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
13 May 2010

Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to accept 3.10.2 proposal text. [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to accept the proposal for 3.10.3 including the 
text from the survey of 13 May [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to make a new survey starting at 3.10.8 (from the 
13 May survey) and beyond. And 3.10.5 Scrollbars, and 5.3.6 Language. 
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to remove 3.10.3 [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.1 implementing to approve the IER. 
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.1 with the text above: "The viewport 
with the current focus (including nested viewports and their containers) 
is highlighted, and the user is able to customize attributes of the 
highlight mechanism, including, but not limited to, shape, size, stroke 
width, color, and blink rate (if any)." [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.2 with proposal (supercedes) above: 
3.10.2 Move Viewport to Selection and Focus: When a viewport's selection 
or content focus changes, the viewport moves as necessary to ensure that 
the new selection or content focus location is at least partially in the 
viewport. (Level A) [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.4 to accept the proposed text for 
IER [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update IER of 3.10.2 moving the examples from 
3.10.3 to augment 3.10.2. [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update the document with all pending changes for 
the meeting of 20 May. [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: kford to update 5.3.5 Context Sensitive Help including sc 
and techniques addressing 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100427/results#xq [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action01]


HTML Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html
Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010AprJun/0067.html
See also: IRC log http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-irc


Attendees

Present
     [Microsoft], Greg, Jeanne, sharper, kimpatch, Ford_Kelly, 
Harper_Simon, Lowney_Greg, Spellman_Jeanne, Patch_Kim
Regrets
     Hakkinen_Mark, Allan_James
Chair
     Ford_Kelly
Scribe
     Harper_Simon

Contents

     * Topics
          1. Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?
          2. inviting Chrome to meeting
          3. Survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/
          4. Proposal for 5.3.5 Context Sensitive Help
          5. Proposal for 5.3.6 Appropriate Language
          6. Proposal for 3.10.1 Highlight Viewport - 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq3
          7. Proposal for 3.10.2 Move Viewport to Selection 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq4
          8. Proposal for 3.10.3 Move Viewport to Focus 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq5
          9. Proposal for 3.10.4 Resizable - 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq6
         10. Proposal for 3.10.5 Scrollbars - 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq7
         11. Proposal for 3.10.8 Do Not Take Focus - 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq8
         12. inviting Chrome to meeting
         13. Comments on last public working draft
     * Summary of Action Items

<trackbot> Date: 13 May 2010

<scribe> scribe: Harper_Simon

<scribe> ScribeNick: sharper
Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?

Current editors draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20100430/

Current Techniques Document: 
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20100430/

This week's Survey: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/

Scribe schedule and scribing help: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/scribing.html

Please monitor your open Action Items: 
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open

Open Issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/open
inviting Chrome to meeting
Survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/
Proposal for 5.3.5 Context Sensitive Help

GL: The proposal needs more discussion

<scribe> ACTION: kford to update 5.3.5 Context Sensitive Help including 
sc and techniques addressing 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100427/results#xq [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-387 - Update 5.3.5 Context Sensitive Help 
including sc and techniques addressing 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100427/results#xq [on Kelly Ford - 
due 2010-05-20].
Proposal for 5.3.6 Appropriate Language

3 accept/ 1 discussion

GL: last week people disagreed

JS: link was wrong last week

GL: discussion re last weeks version comments at 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100427/results#xq2.

RESOLUTION: KF: Come back to this when Patrick is here.
Proposal for 3.10.1 Highlight Viewport - 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq3

3 accept/ 1 discussion

GL: discussion re ISO version of guidelline

KF: respect ISO standards, but there are differences here. UA developers 
think of software as having 2 distinct components - content+frame 
therefore viewport is OK, all - feelings?
... ISO harmonisation should be holistic not piecemeal which we can do 
later if GL continues to include these comments

JS: bringing it in live may be premature

ISSUE: Harmonise w3c to ISO

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-67 - Harmonise w3c to ISO ; please complete 
additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/67/edit .

<jeanne> Issue: UAAG harmonization with ISO\

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-68 - UAAG harmonization with ISO\ ; please 
complete additional details at 
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/68/edit .

<Greg> The viewport with the current focus (including nested viewports 
and their containers) is highlighted, and the user is able to customize 
attributes of the highlight mechanism, including including, but not 
limited to, shape, size, stroke width, color, and blink rate (if any).

<Greg> "The viewport with the current focus (including nested viewports 
and their containers) is highlighted, and the user is able to customize 
attributes of the highlight mechanism, including, but not limited to, 
shape, size, stroke width, color, and blink rate (if any)."

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.1 with the text above: "The 
viewport with the current focus (including nested viewports and their 
containers) is highlighted, and the user is able to customize attributes 
of the highlight mechanism, including, but not limited to, shape, size, 
stroke width, color, and blink rate (if any)." [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-388 - Update 3.10.1 with the text above: "The 
viewport with the current focus (including nested viewports and their 
containers) is highlighted, and the user is able to customize attributes 
of the highlight mechanism, including, but not limited to, shape, size, 
stroke width, color, and blink rate (if any)." [on Jeanne Spellman - due 
2010-05-20].

<Greg> Probably need to say "viewports" plural, as for example the 
active frame and the active window containing it should be appropriately 
highlighted.

KF: look for a sentence to be added re the benefits of customisation

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.1 implementing to approve the 
IER. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-389 - Update 3.10.1 implementing to approve 
the IER. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-05-20].
Proposal for 3.10.2 Move Viewport to Selection 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq4

3 accepts

RESOLUTION: Accept

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to accept 3.10.2 proposal text. [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-390 - Accept 3.10.2 proposal text. [on Jeanne 
Spellman - due 2010-05-20].
Proposal for 3.10.3 Move Viewport to Focus 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq5

3 Accepts

RESOLUTION: Accept

<Greg> Minor: I suggested it would be better if we combined 3.10.2 and 
3.10.3 into a single SC, "Move viewport to selection and focus", as 
they're identical except for one term. It would make the document 
shorter and simpler. But it's not important.

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to accept the proposal for 3.10.3 including the 
text from the survey of 13 May [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-391 - Accept the proposal for 3.10.3 including 
the text from the survey of 13 May [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-05-20].
Proposal for 3.10.4 Resizable - 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq6

3 Accepts

<Greg> "3.10.2 Move Viewport to Selection and Focus: When a viewport's 
selection or content focus changes, the viewport moves as necessary to 
ensure that the new selection or content focus location is at least 
partially in the viewport. (Level A)"

<Greg> (Not sure if that should say "moves" vs. "scrolls" or some such, 
as we're not moving the location of the viewport but rather changing 
what it's showing.)

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.2 with proposal (supercedes) 
above: 3.10.2 Move Viewport to Selection and Focus: When a viewport's 
selection or content focus changes, the viewport moves as necessary to 
ensure that the new selection or content focus location is at least 
partially in the viewport. (Level A) [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-392 - Update 3.10.2 with proposal (supercedes) 
above: 3.10.2 Move Viewport to Selection and Focus: When a viewport's 
selection or content focus changes, the viewport moves as necessary to 
ensure that the new selection or content focus location is at least 
partially in the viewport. (Level A) [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-05-20].

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to update IER of 3.10.2 moving the examples from 
3.10.3 to augment 3.10.2. [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-393 - Update IER of 3.10.2 moving the examples 
from 3.10.3 to augment 3.10.2. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-05-20].

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to remove 3.10.3 [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-394 - Remove 3.10.3 [on Jeanne Spellman - due 
2010-05-20].

<Greg> I questioned whether most if not all UA would fail this as 
written because they don't allow users to resize text input fields, but 
Simon pointed out that Safari does.

<Greg> However we'll need to find a second implementation.

RESOLUTION: Accept
Proposal for 3.10.5 Scrollbars - 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq7

3 Accepts

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.4 to accept the proposed text for 
IER [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-395 - Update 3.10.4 to accept the proposed 
text for IER [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-05-20].

GL: Objection - some GUI's use other things than scrollbars that 
accomplish the same goals
... does not want to make this a specific implementation as opposed to 
the intent

KF: add a word or two - include scrollbars or other mechanisms
... the 99% case is scrollbars

http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/240

GL is this covered in http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/240

<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/240/edit

<Greg> Something more general: "3.10.5 Indicate content outside 
viewport: Graphical viewports display visual indications (e.g. 
scrollbars) if the rendered content extends beyond the viewport 
dimensions, overriding any values specified by the author. (Level A)" 
Not quite perfect...

RESOLUTION: No action as of yet
Proposal for 3.10.8 Do Not Take Focus - 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100505/results#xq8

2 Accepts

KF: Not sure we have enough with only 2 votes
... Not enough responses to take action on 3.8 and beyond

RESOLUTION: Not enough responses to take action on 3.10.8 and beyond

RESOLUTION: New survey to be made for 3.10.8 and after + 3.10.5 + 5.3.6

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to make a new survey starting at 3.10.8 (from 
the 13 May survey) and beyond. And 3.10.5 Scrollbars, and 5.3.6 
Language. [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action10]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-396 - Make a new survey starting at 3.10.8 
(from the 13 May survey) and beyond. And 3.10.5 Scrollbars, and 5.3.6 
Language. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-05-20].

<kford> zakim close item 2
inviting Chrome to meeting

SH: Jonas to attend next week

KF: need to sort out questions on the mailing list before meeting

RESOLUTION: KF: to sent items to the list re - need to sort out 
questions on the mailing list before meeting
Comments on last public working draft

KF: when can we publish

JS: 2 weeks after we decide it is stable

KF: when will we be able to make a draft with no outstanding changes

JS: next meeting

KF: lets aim for this

<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to update the document with all pending changes 
for the meeting of 20 May. [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action11]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-397 - Update the document with all pending 
changes for the meeting of 20 May. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-05-20].

KF: recruit a person each to solicit feedback (need to actively do this)

RESOLUTION: Gear up for public draft
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to accept 3.10.2 proposal text. [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to accept the proposal for 3.10.3 including the 
text from the survey of 13 May [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to make a new survey starting at 3.10.8 (from the 
13 May survey) and beyond. And 3.10.5 Scrollbars, and 5.3.6 Language. 
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to remove 3.10.3 [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.1 implementing to approve the IER. 
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.1 with the text above: "The viewport 
with the current focus (including nested viewports and their containers) 
is highlighted, and the user is able to customize attributes of the 
highlight mechanism, including, but not limited to, shape, size, stroke 
width, color, and blink rate (if any)." [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.2 with proposal (supercedes) above: 
3.10.2 Move Viewport to Selection and Focus: When a viewport's selection 
or content focus changes, the viewport moves as necessary to ensure that 
the new selection or content focus location is at least partially in the 
viewport. (Level A) [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 3.10.4 to accept the proposed text for 
IER [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update IER of 3.10.2 moving the examples from 
3.10.3 to augment 3.10.2. [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update the document with all pending changes for 
the meeting of 20 May. [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: kford to update 5.3.5 Context Sensitive Help including sc 
and techniques addressing 
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100427/results#xq [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-ua-minutes.html#action01]

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