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Minutes - User Agent Working Group Telecon - 20 Aug 2009

From: Simon Harper <simon.harper@manchester.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:39:11 +0100
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Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: ddavidts to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in  
http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: sharper to back 4.6 and address the questions and  
comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ 
results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua- 
minutes.html#action07]


User Agent Working Group Telecon - 20 Aug 2009
20 Aug 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Allan_James_(JA-AllanJ), Spellman_Jeanne_(JS-jeanne), Patch_Kim_(KP- 
KimPatch), Lowney_Greg_(GL-Greg), Tseng_David_(DT-David),  
Hakkinen_Mark, (MH-mth)
Regrets
Ford_Kelly_(KF-KFord), Richards_Jan_(JR), Swan_Henny_(HS-Henny)
Chair
Jim_Allan
Scribe
Harper_Simon
Contents

Topics
Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?
Face 2 Face
Call Duration
HTML 5 and UAAG review - http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
Review Survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/
Summary of Action Items




<AllanJ> title: UAWG telecon
<David> I'm in as well
<jeanne> http://time.gov/
<jeanne> 13:09
Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?

Face 2 Face

JA: Various F2F locations in discussion
JS: TPAC - we can have a spot if we want it - thursday / friday
... 5th / 6th November
JA: Domain Working Group - possibility of video workshop
... Thoughts?
... $50 registration fee / who can make it?
David +1
Jeanne +1
Kim +1
Simon -1
Jim +1(?)
Kelly +1 (?)
Greg: can attend first day
Mark +1
<AllanJ> www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/
RESOLUTION: JS to send email - TPAC confirmed for Face2Face in Santa  
Clara - 5th / 6th November 2009 ( www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/ )
Call Duration

JS: should we cut the call duration from 90 to 60 minutes
JS orig request from JR
AJ: Leave at 90, JS can drop off if need be, can finish early if  
required.
RESOLUTION: Leave at 90 but finish early id there are no pressing  
matters.
HTML 5 and UAAG review - http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html

JA: WAI-CG is looking for broad strokes
... But may be nuance, and a moving target
... Canvas concept of fallback concept - not a good mechanism for this.
... really html5 spec is also about building the UA
JS: need to get out point of view across before its too late as html5  
is now moving very fast.
... get a lot fast / as opposed to detail in 2 months
... only 2 more weeks to get this done - our part is required as fast  
as possible - to PF
<scribe> scribe: Harper_Simon
<scribe> ScribeNick: sharper
JA: As we find more html5 issues send them to the list.
RESOLUTION: As we find more html5 issues send them to the list. We  
only have 1 week or so.
Open Issues - http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/open
Open Action Items - http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open
ACTIONS start at 213
JA: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/213
HS: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/214
KF: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/215
MH: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/216
<AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open
KP: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/218
JA: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/220
SH: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/217
... http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/219
JA: GL will pick
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009JulSep/0035.html
JA: DT to take the DOM and elements sections both section 3 and 4  
with overlaps
<AllanJ> ACTION: DT to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in  
http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - DT
<AllanJ> ACTION: Davit_Tseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4  
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Davit_Tseng
<AllanJ> ACTION: David Tseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4  
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - David
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or  
username (eg. ddavidts, dpoehlma)
<AllanJ> ACTION: DTseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in  
http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - DTseng
<David> ddavidts
<AllanJ> ACTION: ddavidts to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded  
in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [on  
David Tseng David Tseng - due 2009-08-27].
RESOLUTION: PLEASE COMPLETE THE HTML5 ACTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE -  
CAN BE CLEANED UP BY JA AND WAI-WG.
Review Survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/

<AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/results
4.6 Searching suggests something we do over many documents - find is  
some thing we do inside a document - although I realize find is what  
we do to action the searching. Changing "search" to "find" for GL 4.6  
title and all success criteria in GL 4.6
<AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/results#x11
2 accepts - 4 neutral - comments needs to wordsmith to accept.
Find in Media
GL 4.6 is about text content - but does this mean captions in  
multimedia - and if so is it the player or the browsers  
responsibility to offer this functionality?
3 yes 2 depends
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/results#x81
GL: functionality required, but can it be done / what does this already?
KP: like some word processors
GL: How does this stuff already work?
... would it be accurate to say we do want the ability, need to  
research how it is done today - to know if it is acceptable to make  
it a requirement.
<AllanJ> SH: what if captions are there but hidden by css or  
javascript, such as expand/contract elements
<AllanJ> is this a technique or do we need a success criteria
ISSUE: We do want the ability, need to research how it is done today  
- to know if it is acceptable to make it a requirement.
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-40 - We do want the ability, need to  
research how it is done today - to know if it is acceptable to make  
it a requirement. ; please complete additional details at http:// 
www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/40/edit .
<AllanJ> ISSUE: We do want the ability, need to research how it is  
done today - to know if search of alternative, embedded, or plugin  
content is acceptable to make it a requirement.
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-41 - We do want the ability, need to  
research how it is done today - to know if search of alternative,  
embedded, or plugin content is acceptable to make it a requirement. ;  
please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/ 
tracker/issues/41/edit .
<AllanJ> SH: if something consumes input, but the UA and AT know  
nothing about it then it is a UA
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/results#x82
What if no find function?
If search / find is not included in the UA functionality - does a UA  
need to add it specifically to meet our guidelines?
5 yes / 2 depends
GL: Answered by the answer to http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ 
results#x83
4.6.1 Search Rendered Content
4.6.1 Search Content: The user can perform a search within rendered  
content (e.g., not hidden with a style) for text and text  
alternatives for a sequence of characters from the document character  
set. (Level A)
<AllanJ> SH: remove 'rendered' and 'not hidden' so search will find  
captions, hidden content, anything in the dom
<AllanJ> ...and if you find, how do you get to hidden content.
<AllanJ> GL: proposal - user option to search only rendered text or  
include alternative content (alt, titles, caption, etc.)
<AllanJ> GL: searching text and text alternatives within rendered  
elements.
<AllanJ> SH: hidden content is a problem.
<AllanJ> GL: provide scenario of where searching hidden content is a  
problem.
<AllanJ> SH: expands GL proposal on search options (advanced search)
<AllanJ> GL: searching hidden content is more usability than  
accessibility
<AllanJ> KP: find is really useful for speech users
<scribe> ACTION: SH to back 4.6 and address the questions and  
comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ 
results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua- 
minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - SH
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or  
username (eg. sharper, shayes)
<scribe> ACTION: sharper to back 4.6 and address the questions and  
comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ 
results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua- 
minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Back 4.6 and address the questions  
and comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/ 
36791/47/results [on Simon Harper - due 2009-08-27].
Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: David Tseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded  
in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Davit_Tseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded  
in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: ddavidts to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in  
http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: DT to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in http:// 
www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: DTseng to review HTML5 section 3 and 4 [recorded in  
http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: SH to back 4.6 and address the questions and comments  
of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/results  
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: sharper to back 4.6 and address the questions and  
comments of the survey results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/47/ 
results [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/20-ua- 
minutes.html#action07]

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