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ACTION: AllanJ to combine 4.1.7 and 4.1.11 sequential and among
group navigation
ACTION: JA to combine 4.1.7 and 4.1.11 sequential and among group
navigation
ACTION: JA to create a proposal for rewording of 4.6.2
ACTION: JS to create a proposal for rewording 4.6.1
ACTION: JS to do an editorial fix of the numbering in the
Guideline text of 4.5 (says 3.6)
Text of Minutes:
WAI_UA
16 Oct 2008
Attendees
Present
Judy, Jim, Kelly, Jeanne
Regrets
Simon, Mark, Alan
Chair
Jim_Allan, Judy_Brewer
Scribe
jeanne
Contents
* Topics
1. Charter Renewal
2. Last Item in 4.1
3. review remainder of keyboard issues to flag wordsmithing
issues from technical issues.
* Summary of Action Items
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2008/draft_uawg_charter_26jun08.html
Charter Renewal
JB: Review of changes to the Charter Milestones
KF: This seems more reasonable and achievable
JA: Ok
JS: More achievable
JB: Can I add the Errata document?
KF: Agreed
JA: Agreed
JS: Agreed
... Give an example of what goes in the Errata document?
JB: It is the corrections document.
... These are standard placeholder pages for corrections.
... The participation page has also changed. I would like to see the
participation at 8.
... Also changed the F2F number from 3-4 to 2.
... to reflect the trend toward fewer F2F meetings.
+1
discussion on participation and potential participants
we agreed to increase the participation to 8 and commit to bringing on
new members and keeping existing ones.
<AllanJ>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008OctDec/0016.html
Last Item in 4.1
JA: We had discussion, but never reached a final resolution.
* 4.1.11 Intergroup Navigation: Allow the user to navigate from group
to group of focusable items (e.g., toolbars, dialogs, panels, etc.)
JB: why not combine it with 4.1.7?
JA: It is a different level 4.1.7 is AA and 4.1.11 is AAA.
KF: Once you make something accessible from the keyboard, it is the
same amount of work whatever you do. It could be merged.
JA: I think it could be merged.
KF: If there are so many controls that they have to be visually
grouped, then you have to be able to move directly to the group. You
can't tab through 50 controls.
JS: Agreed
<AllanJ> ACTION: AllanJ to combine 4.1.7 and 4.1.11 sequential
and among group navigation [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - AllanJ
<AllanJ> ACTION: JA to combine 4.1.7 and 4.1.11 sequential and
among group navigation [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Combine 4.1.7 and 4.1.11
sequential and among group navigation [on Jim Allan - due 2008-10-23].
review remainder of keyboard issues to flag wordsmithing issues from
technical issues.
Guideline 4.3 Allow time-independent interaction
4.3.1 Timing Adjustable: Where time limits for user input are
recognized and controllable by the user agent, an option is provided to
extend the time limit.
+1
KF: +1
<AllanJ> +1
Guideline 4.4 Help users avoid flashing that could cause seizures
4.4.1 Below Threshold: The user interface "chrome" never violates the
general flash or red flash thresholds.
JS: Can't we refer them to WCAG?
KF: The definition should be in this document/
<AllanJ> define - general flash and red flash thresholds
JB: We need to remove "chrome"
<AllanJ> issue: 4.4.1 define - general flash and red flash
thresholds
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-1 - 4.4.1 define - general flash and red
flash thresholds ; please complete additional details at
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/1/edit .
<AllanJ> issue: remove 'chrome' from all checkpoints...entire
document
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-2 - Remove 'chrome' from all
checkpoints...entire document ; please complete additional details at
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/2/edit .
4.4.1 Below Threshold: The user interface never violates the general
flash or red flash thresholds. [copy definitions here from WCAG]
JS: The levels are in harmony with WCAG
JB: A great deal of research has been done to define these thresholds.
It may be appropriate to make a note that refers people to the
definitions and tools.
... We need to give people more than a hint of what to do.
KF: A link with more detail in a definition is ok. The techniques
should link to tools. (Trace tools?)
Definition in WCAG:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/CR-WCAG20-20080430/#general-thresholddef
<AllanJ> issue: 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 - do we just link to definition
that include all info from wcag, or add short note in explanation with
link to definitions and techniques
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-3 - 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 - do we just link to
definition that include all info from wcag, or add short note in
explanation with link to definitions and techniques ; please complete
additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/3/edit .
KFord had to leave. Judy, Jeanne and Jim remain on the call, so the
balance of the meeting will be used for planning purposes.
<scribe> ACTION: JS to do an editorial fix of the numbering in
the Guideline text of 4.5 (says 3.6) [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-31 - Do an editorial fix of the
numbering in the Guideline text of 4.5 (says 3.6) [on Jeanne Spellman -
due 2008-10-23].
JB: 4.5.3 should be Level AA.
<AllanJ> issue: move 4.5.3 to Level AA
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-4 - Move 4.5.3 to Level AA ; please
complete additional details at
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/4/edit .
JS: questioned quotes around "wizard" in 4.5.4 and the "(at least)".
JB: There is no semantic change if the "(at least)" is deleted.
<AllanJ> issue: 4.5.4 remove quotes around wizard
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-5 - 4.5.4 remove quotes around wizard ;
please complete additional details at
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/5/edit .
<AllanJ> issue: 4.5.4 remove (at least) --- no change in meaning
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-6 - 4.5.4 remove (at least) --- no
change in meaning ; please complete additional details at
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/6/edit .
Guideline 4.6 Provide text search
4.6.1 Search Rendered: The user can perform a search within rendered
(e.g., not hidden with a style) content for text and text alternatives
for a sequence of characters from the document character set.
JB: 4.6.1 needs to be given as an action item for someone to work on
rewording.
<scribe> ACTION: JS to create a proposal for rewording 4.6.1
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - Create a proposal for rewording
4.6.1 [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2008-10-23].
JA: The back history is that it requires searching within the text and
the text alternatives.
4.6.2 Bi-Directional: The user has the option of searching forward or
backward (in document order) from any selected or focused location in
content.
JB: We should not need parenthetical comments to explain it. I
recommend we assign it to be scrubbed a little.
<scribe> ACTION: JA to create a proposal for rewording of 4.6.2
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Create a proposal for rewording of
4.6.2 [on Jim Allan - due 2008-10-23].
SC 4.6.3 Match found
# 4.6.3 Match Found: When there is a match, both of the following are
true:
* (a) move: the viewport moves so that the matched text content is at
least partially within it, and@@9.8 in UAAG10@@
* (b) search again: the user can search for the next instance of the
text from the location of the match.@@9.8 in UAAG10@@
JA: There is no major issue and we will review it with the rest of the
document.
4.6.4 No Match
JS: Needs more word smithing
<AllanJ> issue: 4.6.4 reword
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-7 - 4.6.4 reword ; please complete
additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/7/edit .
4.6.5 Case Insensitive: There is a case-insensitive search option
JS: This is common practice. It should be a level A.
JB: This is an issue that can be picked up in the overall document
review.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: AllanJ to combine 4.1.7 and 4.1.11 sequential and among
group navigation [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: JA to combine 4.1.7 and 4.1.11 sequential and among group
navigation [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: JA to create a proposal for rewording of 4.6.2 [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-ua-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to create a proposal for rewording 4.6.1 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to do an editorial fix of the numbering in the
Guideline text of 4.5 (says 3.6) [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/16-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]