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RE: W3C User Agent Teleconference for 4 May 2006

From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:09:52 -0500
To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>, jimallan@tsb1.tsbvi.edu
Cc: WAU-ua <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Message-id: <HDEAKIPKOHBCMDILOOPNAEBFFPAB.jimallan@tsbvi.edu>

Thanks for that Jon,
I used a standard .htm page that had a doctype for xhtml transitional and
changed the extension to .xhtml

 firefox just rendered the source. interesting

will have to look at this further.

Jim Allan, Webmaster & Statewide Technical Support Specialist
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315    fax: 512.206.9264  http://www.tsbvi.edu/
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Gunderson [mailto:jongund@uiuc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:00 PM
To: jimallan@tsbvi.edu
Cc: WAU-ua
Subject: RE: W3C User Agent Teleconference for 4 May 2006


Firefox will validate documents in certain modes and will
report a validation error instead of typing to render the
document.  I am not sure of the details to trigger this mode,
but I know if the author uses the extension .xhtml instead of
.html is part of the trigger.

Jon


---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:05:38 -0500
>From: "Jim Allan" <allanj@tsbvi.edu>
>Subject: RE: W3C User Agent Teleconference for  4 May  2006
>To: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
>Cc: "WAU-ua" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>, "Jan Richards"
<jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
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>what is the context for this validation? It is not required
by WCAG 2.0 or
>by UAAG 1.0. User agents are not validating by nature or
function.  If they
>were, the web would come to a crashing halt. Validating code
is an authoring
>responsibility and is voluntary. Tools can create valid code,
but servers
>will serve up whatever matches the filename requested,
regardless of
>validity of the code. Browsers will attempt to display/render
(and repair)
>whatever is served, regardless of the validity. Unless things
change
>dramatically, for the foreseeable future, I think user agents
will remain
>bugward compatible just to deal with tremendous amount of
non-valid
>including misuse of proper vocabulary and use of deprecated code.
>
>There are accessibility features that are required for valid
code, such as
>the 'alt' attribute being required for html 4.01 and xhtml
1.0 that provide
>some benefit. There must be a value for 'alt', but is that
information of
>any use.  even validity has its limitations. It still up to
the author to
>provide useful information, and hopefully in a valid way.
>
>Having run this around in my head, I am not sure of your
point. Please help
>me understand...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Poehlman
[mailto:david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:10 AM
>To: Jim Allan
>Cc: Jim Allan; WAU-ua; Jan Richards
>Subject: Re: W3C User Agent Teleconference for 4 May 2006
>
>
>If you use depricated features, you cannot vallidate to published
>grammars / current specifications.  How does deprication impact
>accessibility?  ? For Instance, if I use border in html, I cannot
>validate since it's been depricated.  How does this benefit us?
>
>On May 2, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Jim Allan wrote:
>
>
>what about validation?
>
>Jim Allan, Webmaster & Statewide Technical Support Specialist
>Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
>1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
>voice 512.206.9315    fax: 512.206.9264  http://www.tsbvi.edu/
>---> Share to Win!! <---
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Poehlman
[mailto:david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:50 AM
>To: Jim Allan
>Cc: WAU-ua; Jan Richards
>Subject: Re: W3C User Agent Teleconference for 4 May 2006
>
>
>anybody got a cattle prod to tickle me with around 1:55pm edt?
>
>I wonder if we should discuss the effects of vallidation on
user agents?
>
>On May 2, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Jim Allan wrote:
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>W3C User Agent Teleconference for  4 May 2006
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Chair: Jim Allan
>Date: Thursday,  27 April 2006
>Time: 2:00-3:00 pm Boston Local Time, USA (19:00-20:00 UTC/GMT)
>Call-in: Zakim bridge at: +1-617-761-6200, code 8294#
>IRC: sever: irc.w3.org, port: 6665, channel: #ua.
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Please send RSVP or additional agenda items to the list.
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>Agenda
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>WCAG 2.0 Related
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>	1. WCAG 2.0 official last call
>		  http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/
>		review conformance section
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>	2. Review revision 2 UAAG - WCAG correlation table.
>		http://www.tsbvi.edu/technology/uawg/wcag2b.htm
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>	3. Review UAAG references/dependencies on WCAG 1.0
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006AprJun/0010.html
>		where should we go with this?
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>Jim Allan, Webmaster & Statewide Technical Support Specialist
>Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
>1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
>voice 512.206.9315    fax: 512.206.9264  http://www.tsbvi.edu/
>---> Share to Win!! <---
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Jon Gunderson, Ph.D.
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Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES)
and
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Disability Resources and Education Services (DRES)

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