- From: Ian B. Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:30:09 -0400
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
UAWG teleconference, 8 August 2002 [Note: This is a resend; I don't know why these didn't make it to the list yesterday.] Agenda announcement: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0082.html Participants: Jon Gunderson (Chair), Ian Jacobs (Scribe), Harvey Bingham, Eric Hansen, Matt May, Rich Schwerdtfeger Regrets: Jim Allan, Lee Bateman, Tim Lacy, David Poehlman Previous meeting: 25 July 2002 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0051 Next meeting: 15 August, 2pm ET To coordinate implementation report. Reference document 7 August 2002 Working Draft http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/WD-UAAG10-20020807/ ========== Discussion ========== ------------------------------------------- 1. Comments on 7 August UAAG working draft? http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/WD-UAAG10-20020807/ IJ: Many thanks to Eric, Harvey, and others for comments on the document. The last call draft will be the 7 August draft, plus the revised 6.4 (see below), and possibly minor edits. Congratulations! --------------------------------------- 2. Revised provisions to checkpoint 6.4 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0087 EH: Notes seem open-ended to me. IJ: Even with their informative status? IJ: Provision 1 does not establish a minimal set of types of graphical objects. But in practice, APIs provide access to graphical objects. These things are done in practice, however. Same for provision 2. EH: I have no objections. JG: This is to help resolve the schism between what's on the screen and invalid HTML. RS: Screen coordinates more important than relative coords. IJ: Can you get viewport position from system and then add relative coords? RS: Yes, I think so, on most systems. Experience is that ATs need screen coordinates. JG: Seems like we should require screen coordinates, with a Note about conversion from relative to absolute. IJ: What's clearest definition of screen coordinates? RS: Pixel position relative to the desktop. IJ: What about the classic cases of four physical monitors on one virtual screen, or four virtual screens and one physical monitor? EH: "Relative to the point of origin in the graphical environment (e.g., with respect to the desktop not the viewport)." IJ: Should we say "pixels" (i.e., specify the units)? RS: I think it's sufficient to not say pixels. Those skilled in the art know what you're talking about. RS: MSAA provides implementation experience for provisions 1 and 2. IJ: We have comments from Mozilla, Opera, Adobe, Microsoft, and IBM that these things are already done in practice, and from IBM and Alva (and earlier comments from AI-squared) that these requirements are important. JG: Note that the proposal requires less information about text than the previous version. [Nobody objected to this change.] Resolved: * Accept proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0087 * Accept this clarification that "coordinates" are relative to the point of origin in the graphical environment (e.g., with respect to the desktop not the viewport). * Don't mention specific units (e.g., pixels) in the requirement. ------------------------------------------------ 3. Updating Implementation Report for Proposed Recommendation http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/implementation/report-cr2 JG: Matt, Ian, Colin Koteles, and I met in Chicago last week. Lots of progress since then, including: 3a) Evaluation report (still in early stages of development) to produce implementation reports from an HTML form. http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2002/08/06-evalform MM: You can fill out the form, activate "generate xml" at the end of the page. It will use javascript to produce an implementation report in xml in a text area. You can cut and paste to a file; as the eval form evolves, it will become easier to use. So far, it works in Mozilla. I am trying to make it work in other UAs that don't support DOM Level 2. I suggest testing it with your browser first. 3b) New implementation report DTD (based on our experience). 3c) Progress on UAAG 1.0 draft test suite. http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/ JG: Tests can be incorporated in implementation reports. JG: The hurdle before last call is converting old implementation reports to new version. Matt's form will assist in this process. /* Discussion about evaluations, implementation reports */ JG: The evaluation report is not just to get out of CR: 1) It's important (as are the tests) to pointing out to developers limitations in their implementations. 2) It's important to back up UAAG 1.0. IJ: Here is my approximation of how old checkpoints migrated to new checkpoints: http://www.w3.org/2002/07/ua-diffs IJ: See also "How to evaluate a user agent for conformance to UAAG 1.0" http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2001/10/eval Actions: HB: Create new evaluation of Opera. http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/implementation/eval_win_opera6.html EH: Create new evaluation of Acrobat reader. http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/implementation/eval_win_pdfreader5 MM: Create new evaluation of Mozilla http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/implementation/eval_win_mozilla6 JG: Create new evaluation of GW Micro and Jaws http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/implementation/eval_win_wineyes411 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/implementation/eval_win_jaws402 Deadline: 13 August. To do before last call: * Incorporate new checkpoint 6.4 per today's discussion. * Document checkpoints with low implementation experience. * Update implementation report summary. IJ: I don't think we need to send formal responses to reviewers who raised CR issues, since we raised them as a working group during the course of evaluations. The broader audience will have the chance to comment on those decisions in last call. -- Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs Tel: +1 718 260-9447
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