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SV: SV: SV: question about accessible pictures

From: Lisa Yayla <Lisa.Yayla@KS-HUSEBY.NO>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:17:41 +0200
Message-ID: <F0F44D9F3222D3119A2400805F62801E1CB717@tor.ks-huseby.no>
To: "'Charles McCathieNevile'" <charles@w3.org>, w3c-wai-ua@w3.org

Hi Charles,

So far what I am using SVGs for or SVGZs is on my site 
which offers free tactile graphic files for downloading. 
The purpose is to increase the amount of adapted
graphics for the blind and visually impaired. I figure
if someone is interested in a graphic they can print out
the SVG and use it for an embossed graphic.

Actually the site offers any type of file that 
is useful, files for embossing graphics or jpgs,etc
for black and white graphics used for swell paper.

You can have a look at the site at the following address
  http://www.ks-huseby.no/sensiblegraphics

The site is fairly new so there arent too many graphics,
and hopefully there will be coming more from others.

I have tried to do a bit of work with using the 
SVG for screen pictures for visually impaired, 
idea is to make the image adaptable to the need of 
the individual (colors and etc)and think it's promising 
but haven't got to far. And I understand there is  a lot
more that can be done with them. Would appreciate any
ideas.

A Dr. John Gardner in the state of Washington in the U.S
is working on a SVG browser that sounds very promising.
Perhaps you know about this?
 
Regards,
Lisa
-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
Sendt: 5. august 2002 00:43
Til: Lisa Yayla
Emne: Re: SV: SV: question about accessible pictures 


Hi Lisa

there are other libraries working on tactile graphics that I know of
(CELIA
in finland and the library for the blind and visually handicapped in
Denmark
in particular) who ask similar questions.

I don't know much about Marc21 but I would be interested to know more
about
how you are using SVG. Could you send a message to w3c-wai-ig@w3.org -
the
WAI Interest Group, and cc me?

Best regards

Charles

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Lisa Yayla wrote:

>Hi,
>I definitly will let you know about practical experience.
>I use SVG in my work.  I will try the stylesheets out.
>It looked very promising.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean by other libraries, and similar
>problems.  I design tactile graphics. Are libraries
>trying to make their graphics accessible to the blind and
>visually impaired on-line? Or do you mean the catalouge of
>their tactile graphics on-line?
>
>When you mentioned libraries, I thought about their problem of
>archiving alternative formats in a database, and their using
>Marc21 or Reveal. I've started to use Marc21 to archive graphics
>that I make, Reveal later.
>
>Regards,
>Lisa
>
>
>
>-----Opprinnelig melding-----
>Fra: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
>Sendt: 26. juli 2002 14:25
>Til: Lisa Yayla
>Emne: Re: SV: question about accessible pictures
>
>
>It's a pleasure.
>
>If you do use this, I would be interested to hear about your practical
>experience (and particularly pleased if you could share themm with an
>archived mailing list). I know there are many other libraries around
the
>world wrestling with similar problems, and organisations producing
>content
>who might be more easily convinced to make your jobs easier...
>
>Cheers
>
>Charles McCN
>
>On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Lisa Yayla wrote:
>
>>Thank you.
>>Lisa
>>
>>-----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>Fra: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@w3.org]
>>Sendt: 26. juli 2002 11:47
>>Til: Lisa Yayla
>>Kopi: 'Jon Gunderson'; w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
>>Emne: Re: question about accessible pictures
>>
>>
>>Hi Lisa,
>>
>>this question might be better directed to either the Web Content
>>Accessibility Guidelines Group - http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL with a
>mailing
>>list
>>w3c-wai-gl@w3.org archived at
>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl
>>or perhaps more profitably to the WAI Interest Group at
>>http://www.w3.org/WAI/IG whose mailing list is w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
>>archived at
>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig
>>
>>Anyway, to answer your question:
>>
>>If you use Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG -
>>http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG
>>to learn more) as a format it is relatively easy to define a
stylesheet
>>for
>>images that presents a low-resolution version.
>>
>>Doing this is described in the W3C Note "Accessibility Features of
SVG"
>>at
>>http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG-access/#Different and should suit your
>>purposes.
>>
>>cheers
>>
>>Charles McCN
>>
>>On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Lisa Yayla wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>I am a reader of this list. I have a question
>>>and  hope it isn't too stupid, and not wasting
>>>your time.
>>>
>>>I work with tactile graphics for the blind and
>>>visually impaired.
>>>
>>>With alternative text I know there is long
>>>discription tag and etc. I was wondering
>>>if there is something similar for a graphic that
>>>is alternative to the regular graphic.
>>>
>>>I am thinking of a tag for a graphic that is specially
>>>designed for graphics on microcapsule paper (a black and
>>>white gif that is later copied to a special paper)or an included
>>>embosser file or for visually impaired an adapted graphic.
>>>
>>>Something similar to the low source for graphics which wouldn't
>>>show up for most but there and available.
>>>
>>>Thank you for your time.
>>>
>>>Lisa Yayla
>>>-----Opprinnelig melding-----
>>>Fra: Jon Gunderson [mailto:jongund@uiuc.edu]
>>>Sendt: 24. juli 2002 20:54
>>>Til: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
>>>Emne: AGENDA: W3C User Agent Teleconference 25 July 2002
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>W3C User Agent Telecon for July 25th, 2002
>>>
>>>Chair: Jon Gunderson
>>>Date: Thursday, 25 July 2002
>>>Time: 2:00-3:30 pm Boston Local Time, USA (18:00-19:30 UTC/GMT)
>>>Call-in: Longfellow Bridge (+1) (617) 252-1038
>>>
>>>Agenda
>>>
>>>Review Action Items
>>>
>>>Discussion
>>>
>>>1. Comments on 8 July UAAG working draft
>>>http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/WD-UAAG10-20020708/
>>>
>>>2. Updating implementation report and indentifying requirements with
>>low
>>>
>>>implementation experience
>>>
>>>3. Last call scheduling and expectations
>>>
>>>4. Draft test suites
>>>http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/uaag-html401-testsuite.html
>>>
>>>
>>>Open Action Items
>>>
>>>IJ: Add GECKO-API as reference in 6.4 as well as 6.2.
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0020.html
>>>
>>>IJ: Modifications to Checkpoint 4.1
>>>Change second sentence in bullet one to "Text rendered at different
>>>sizes
>>>should scale proportionally."
>>>Clarify that rounding may occur and is appearing.
>>>Clarify that 4.1-4.3 are for content only by adding "content" to
>>>provision one.
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0020.html
>>>
>>>IJ: Review whether to add word "content" in remaining checkpoints
>where
>>>content only is meant.
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0020.html
>>>
>>>IJ: In second sufficient technique, delete "so that the user may
>>>position
>>>them independently."
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0020.html
>>>
>>>IJ: - Add a statement to 6.2 in normative exclusion that exporting
out
>>>of
>>>process may be useful.
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0020.html
>>>
>>>IJ: For checkpoint 4.14: Indicate in Note that allowing the user to
>>>select
>>>more than one style sheet may be a useful way to implement other
>>>requirements of this document. Also, if the user agent offers several
>>>default style sheets, the user agent can also use these to satisfy
>some
>>>requirements (e.g., available on the Web; this would allow user
agents
>>>to
>>>improve accessiblity of deployed user agents).
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0020.html
>>>
>>>JG: Write up user scenarios for why non-text-based highlighting
>>>important
>>>for users; notably which users.
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0027.html
>>>See for additional questions:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0029.html
>>>
>>>JG: Add implementation of Checkpoint 3.1 from Konqueror
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177.html
>>>
>>>JG: Add user style sheets for outline view requirements in Konqueror,
>>>Opera, Amaya and IE to implementation report for Checkpoint 10.5
>>Outline
>>>view
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177.html
>>>
>>>JG: Acrobat 5.0 generates a navigation view, so implementation of
>>>Checkpoint 10.5
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177.html
>>>
>>>JG: Add user style sheets as an implementation of configuring outline
>>>view,
>>>checkpoint 9.10
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177.html
>>>
>>>JG: Add implementation of 5.3 Manual viewport open with Mozilla,
>>>Konqueror
>>>and Snufin
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177.html
>>>
>>>JG: Add to implementation report of Checkpoint 4.4:
>>>PlexTalk by Plextor (audio, http://www.plextalk.org/)
>>>Victor Reader by VisuAide (audio,
http://www.visuaide.com/dtbsol.html)
>>>Victor Soft reader by VisuAide (audio,
>>>http://www.visuaide.com/dtbsol.html)
>>>LpPlayer by Labyrinten (audio,
>>>http://www.labyrinten.se/english/index.html)
>>>eNounce (audio and video, http://www.enounce.com/)
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177.html
>>>
>>>DP: Contact Loretta for information about how Adobe implements MSAA
to
>>>get
>>>or provide information about rendered information in Acrobat Reader
>>(for
>>>
>>>example).
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0020.html
>>>
>>>Completed Action Items
>>>
>>>JG: Contact Lofton Henderson to schedule meeting to look at Colin's
>>test
>>>
>>>suite progress.
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0020.html
>>>Done: In process of seeing how many QA people can come
>>>
>>>TL: Send to the UAWG a pointer to text about the functionalities
>>>available
>>>through MSAA for access to rendering information (for techniques for
>>>6.4)
>>>Source:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0020.html
>>>Done:
>>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0019.html
>>>
>>>
>>>Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
>>>Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
>>>Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
>>>MC-574
>>>College of Applied Life Studies
>>>University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
>>>1207 S. Oak Street, Champaign, IL  61820
>>>
>>>Voice: (217) 244-5870
>>>Fax: (217) 333-0248
>>>
>>>E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu
>>>
>>>WWW: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~jongund
>>>WWW: http://www.w3.org/wai/ua
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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