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Re: Part II: Issues raised during Mac IE evaluation of UAAG 1.0

From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 11:40:16 -0500
To: "Ian B. Jacobs" <ij@w3.org>, Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
Cc: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Message-id: <000601c1da65$1313eeb0$19e03244@CP286066A>
some ats will still need a cue other than color such as a border or
style change to make a distinction.  then there is also the issue of
those who have trouble with the meaning of color who will find better
guidance with style/border etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian B. Jacobs" <ij@w3.org>
To: "Jon Gunderson" <jongund@uiuc.edu>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Part II: Issues raised during Mac IE evaluation of UAAG 1.0

Jon Gunderson wrote:

> Some people only see in black and white (using the rods of their
> so different shades of gray are hard to distinguish.  So having a
> not dependent on color or sahdes of gray is important to some
> to easily recognize highlighting and important element on a page.

In issue 484 [1], we resolved that greys count as colors.

This leaves black and white. If the highlight mechanism
relies on color, and the user can select color preferences,
then no system in the world would let you choose any color
except white and black. So the user can change the highlight
colors to black and white if desired. This is covered
by the user control checkpoint.

I can't justify *certainly not at a P1 level)
why the default styles must not rely on color if the
user can change the colors (including black and white). I thought
maybe it was that some people might not realize that they
could change the colors, but we require documentation of
such features at P1, so the requirement is at best a P3.
And, as I pointed out, this would undoubtedly mean differing
from operating environment conventions, which is not a good
thing. So making this a P1 requirement may interfere with
the usability for other users (including users with disabilities,
who might, for example, be distracted by lots of icons, boxes,

There's no technical reason that makes the default checkpoint
hard to implement. I'm finding it very hard to justify as
a checkpoint.

  - Ian

[1] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2001/08/issues-20010830#484

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