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Re: Is this a Job for SVG and WAI?

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:09:37 -0500 (CDT)
To: Jon Ferraiolo <jferraio@adobe.com>
cc: <w3c-svg-wg@w3.org>, <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0108012206360.2621-100000@staff2.cso.uiuc.edu>
Jon,
1. Is it possible to author a WCAG compliant document with image maps
using PDF?

2. Is the PDF document using SVG as the internal format?

3. Could you send a copy of the document to the working groups for
evaluation before the discussion?

4. I would be interested in particpating in the dicussion.

Jon Gunderson

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Jon Ferraiolo wrote:

> As the SVG and WAI working groups discuss WCAG and UAAG, it can be helpful
> to have some sample content to evaluate against.
>
> Michael Diggles has produced a PDF file with some embedded maps and has
> issued a challenge asking how someone might approach making this particular
> real-world graphical content accessible. I was wondering if perhaps
> volunteers from the SVG and WAI working groups might be willing to do a
> conference call with Michael to have him explain the sorts of information
> that his maps contain, and then have the WAI team explain the sorts of
> accessibility issues that could possible be addressed, and then review
> WCAG, UAAG and SVG to see how they measure up.
>
> Ian, it seems like this sort of a thing might be something which would
> interest you.
>
> Jon
>
> >X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #10[UCI]
> >To: jferraio@adobe.com
> >Subject: Is this a Job for SVG?
> >
> >IN talking with the USGS about accessibility and PDF this morning, there was
> >some discussion of the Diggle Challenge. I looked at this file, and there
> >are,
> >no unexpectedly, some very complex figures. My question for you: is this the
> >sort of thing for which SVG could produce an accessible solution?
> >
> >         Loretta
> >
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> >
> >From: Michael Diggles <mdiggles@usgs.gov>
> >Subject: Diggles' PDF with four figures - challenge
> >Cc: kkirk@usgs.gov
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> >Hi Loretta,
> >
> >I'm sorry I missed the conference call this morning.  I talked to
> >Keith Kirk this morning after it and he said you would like to try
> >your hand at my "challenge" tagging problem.
> >
> >Here is my note to the listserve:
> >
> > >From mkwitter@usgs.gov
> > >
> > >Is everyone out there still in the state of shock or are we the only
> > >District that relies totally on Macs to produce reports?  The statement at
> > >the end of the second paragraph (see web site below) of the "Guide to
> > >making 508-compliant PDF files"..."The Macintosh operating system is
> > >incapable of tagging PDF files for accessibility."
> >
> >I don't see any evidence that Windows machines do a much better job.
> >
> >Here is a 3-foot-by 4-foot poster with four figures in it.
> >
> >http://caldera.wr.usgs.gov/InSAR_slo.pdf
> >
> >I will buy a beer for anybody who can make it accessible other than
> >using the strip-the-graphics technique.  I use both a Mac and a PC
> >and I gave up and made a stripped version and a graphic-containing
> >version for between now and when we figure out how to tag PDF's that
> >come from the plethora of PostScript-generating applications with
> >which we have been making our living for years.  I do admit that for
> >the version with the graphics stripped out, I moved it from my Mac to
> >my PC to use the Make-Accessible plug-in.  Just for fun, here is the
> >stripped version:  it passed the accessibility checker
> >
> >http://caldera.wr.usgs.gov/InSAR_slo_Accessible.pdf
> >
> >I guess I'll put a little front-end on these two files that say
> >something like "click here for graphic-rich version" and "click here
> >for accessible version"
> >
> >I'd love to have a clean way to do it; so that offer of a beer is open.
> >
> >- --Mike Diggles
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >Michael F. Diggles, Geologist
> >Western Publications Group, CD-ROM publications
> >Building 3, Room 3-202H
> >U.S. Geological Survey, MS-951
> >345 Middlefield Road
> >Menlo Park, CA 94025
> >
> >Phone:  (650) 329-5404
> >Fax, (650) 329-5453
> >mailto:mdiggles@usgs.gov
> >http://caldera.wr.usgs.gov
> >http://wpg.wr.usgs.gov/
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
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>
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