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Re: Minority opinons (equivalency has no 'target,' only 'partners')

From: David Poehlman <poehlman@clark.net>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:27:23 -0400
Message-ID: <39E70DBB.257066DA@clark.net>
To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
CC: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>, w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
I too think it is worthwhile.

Jon Gunderson wrote:
> 
> Al,
> I think that the issue of having different representations of the same
> information and that they are all equally valid is an important point the
> guidelines should stress.  I support language (especially for checkpoint
> 2.3) that emphasizes this concept in the guidelines.  I like Al's proposal
> for checkpoint 2.3[1].
> 
> Jon
> 
> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0085.html
> 
> At 09:25 PM 10/12/2000 -0400, Al Gilman wrote:
> >This is going to sound contradictory, but I need to tell you this so there is
> >no confusion later.
> >
> >I am prepared to argue in WCA that they should be prepared to back off on the
> >separation of text and formatting, and be more tolerant of HTML inline
> >formatting properties where the intent behind the formatting is captured and
> >disclosed, e.g. in the markup or metadata.  This hinges on the definition of
> >suitable conventions in the formats, but I would be in favor of being more
> >flexible on this point is such can be arranged.
> >
> >But the behavior available to the user through the good offices of the user
> >agent should be to remove, on user option required, any hint of bias among the
> >members of an equivalence group. The requirement to make all equivalents
> >(fellow members of an equivalence group) available is to be extended with full
> >force regarding all of them equally, without a shred of distinction.
> >
> >This is the same kind of symmetry well understood in the randomization of
> >candidate order in the printing of ballots.  Since the order of appearance has
> >the effect of biasing the voter, the order of appearance is scrambled across
> >different voters' ballots to minimize any unfairness created across the
> >breadth
> >of the voting populace.
> >
> >We need to have a logical model of equivalence relationships which is that
> >simon pure, as the foundation on which the "access to all options, when there
> >are equivalents," language of the UAAG is built.
> >
> >Al
> 
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