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Re: Comments on Section 3.4 related to checkpoint grouping

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:41:46 -0500
Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20001012082230.02a3d008@staff.uiuc.edu>
To: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Cc: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Ian,
1.  We don't have minimal requirements for images on 8.2, 8.3, 4.15 and 
4.16.  It seems like we should say something about that.  I think we should 
have for these checkpoints more of a description of why some element types 
have minimal requirements and other don't.  What do you think?

2. The labels part of section 3.4 are informational in nature.  The current 
wording "Portions of the following checkpoints related to" seems to 
indicate that the checkpoint is not limited to certain element type.  I 
think that we should include elements that we want to highlight to 
developers for specific consideration on a checkpoint and in this case 8.2, 
8.3, 4.15 and 4.16. I think we could ask developers in last call if they 
think some should be removed or do they think they were helpful.

Jon


At 08:10 PM 10/11/2000 -0400, Ian Jacobs wrote:
>Jon Gunderson wrote:
> >
> > Ian,
> > It seems to me they were included in your original proposal because they
> > had minimal requirements for output for text.  Since these checkpoints had
> > minimal requirements it seems that highlighting them in the labeled groups
> > makes sense.  It seems that we are missing minimal requirements for speech
> > rendering for 8.2, 8.3, 4.15 and 4.16.
>
>Here's my new reasoning: the selection (or focus) need not only be for
>text. For instance, a selected image may have a border around it.
>Similarly,
>links may have text or non-text content. So for all four checkpoints,
>the
>content type doesn't matter.
>
>I agree that we don't have minimal speech requirements for the four
>checkpoints in question. However, as we resolved in a previous
>teleconference,
>I think that we should not refine our speech requirements any further
>for
>this document since there are other W3C WGs working on voice/speech
>issues.
>
>  _ Ian
>
> > Jon
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 10/11/2000 -0400, Ian Jacobs wrote:
> > >jon gunderson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Section 3.4 Content type labels
> > > >
> > > > 1. Audio label missing checkpoint 3.2, remove 4.15 and 4.16 (add to 
> speech
> > > > label), and order checkpoints numerically.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Image label missing 3.4 (if label is to be consistent with including
> > > > 3.3 in Text grouping for animations)
> > > >
> > > > 3. Speech label missing 4.15, 4.16, 8.2 and 8.3
> > >
> > >Jon,
> > >
> > >As I think about it, I think the following checkpoints apply
> > >to all user agents (whatever the content type rendered): 4.16, 4.17,
> > >8.2, and 8.3 (details below). Checkpoints 4.16 and 4.17 are about
> > >selection and focus (which are independent of content type). Checkpoints
> > >8.2 and 8.3 are about links (which are also independent of content
> > >type). Therefore, I think these checkpoints should be removed from
> > >all content type label sets since they apply to all UAs. I think
> > >(but am not absolutely sure) that the way the checkpoints are
> > >written, they already take into account applicability (e.g., they
> > >say "for graphical user agents...").
> > >
> > >  _ Ian
> > >
> > >[1] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/WD-UAAG10-20000929/
> > >
> > >--
> > >Ian Jacobs (jacobs@w3.org)   http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs
> > >Tel:                         +1 831 457-2842
> > >Cell:                        +1 917 450-8783
> > >
> > >
> > >Checkpoints 4.16, 4.17, 8.2, and 8.3:
> > >
> > >4.16 Allow the user to configure how the selection is highlighted
> > >     (e.g., foreground and background color, voice pitch, etc.).
> > >     For graphical viewports, offer at least three
> > >     rendering options, including colors and fonts.
> > >     Allow the user to select from among the range of system colors and
> > >fonts.
> > >
> > >
> > >4.17 Allow the user to configure how the content focus is highlighted
> > >     (e.g., foreground and background color, voice pitch, etc.).
> > >     For graphical viewports, offer at least three
> > >     rendering options, including colors and fonts. For graphical
> > >viewports,
> > >     allow the user to select from among the range of system colors and
> > >fonts.
> > >     The default focus highlight mechanism must be different from the
> > >default s
> > >     election highlight mechanism.
> > >
> > >8.2 Render recently visited links in a distinct style and allow the user
> > >to
> > >     configure this style. For graphical viewports, offer at least three
> > >     rendering options, including colors and
> > >     fonts. Allow the user to select from among the range of system
> > >colors and fonts.
> > >
> > >8.3 Render in a distinct style those links that have been marked up to
> > >indicate that
> > >     following them will involve a fee and allow the user to configure
> > >this style.
> > >     For graphical viewports, offer at least three rendering options,
> > >including
> > >    colors and fonts. Allow the user to select from among the range of
> > >system colors
> > >    and fonts.
> >
> > Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
> > Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
> > Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
> > MC-574
> > College of Applied Life Studies
> > University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
> > 1207 S. Oak Street, Champaign, IL  61820
> >
> > Voice: (217) 244-5870
> > Fax: (217) 333-0248
> >
> > E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu
> >
> > WWW: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~jongund
> > WWW: http://www.w3.org/wai/ua
>
>--
>Ian Jacobs (jacobs@w3.org)   http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs
>Tel:                         +1 831 457-2842
>Cell:                        +1 917 450-8783

Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
MC-574
College of Applied Life Studies
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
1207 S. Oak Street, Champaign, IL  61820

Voice: (217) 244-5870
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