- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:43:23 -0400
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
24 July 2000 UA Guidelines Teleconference
[Exceptional teleconf]
Present:
Jon Gunderson (Chair)
Ian Jacobs (Scribe)
Kitch Barnicle
Gregory Rosmaita
David Poehlman
Rich Schwerdtfeger
Regrets:
Mark Novak
Jim Allan
Eric Hansen
Charles McCathieNevile
Tim Lacy
Dick Brown
Jim Allan
Absent:
Harvey Bingham
Mickey Quenzer
Next meeting: 27 July.
Regrets for August: Jim Allan
Agenda [1]
[1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0098.html
0. Issue 288: Min requirements only in checkpoints?
GR: Obviously we have to be careful in our choice of minimal
requirements.
JG: The problem I have with ATAG's ideas of distributing information
is that developers have to look further. UAAG will make it easier
for developers to know what they have to do.
Resolved: Yes, we will (and have adopted since the 7 July
draft) adopt this proposal.
1.Issue 257: Minimum requirement for checkpoint 10.4: Allow the user
to
change the input configuration. [Priority 2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0082.html
JG: Single-step allows modifier keys, single-command does not.
Action IJ: Come with up clearer terminology.
(e.g., "Direct" means you don't have to go through space, but you
may use more than one command to get there.) What does single mean
in the voice realm? Single word (what about I18N here??).
Refer to JG's proposal:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0082.html
GR: Same issues we have for accesskey: cascade required?
warning or notification when customized configuration conflicts
with OS bindings? I want to make sure that developers note
the relationship between various input reconfiguration checkpoints.
KB: What is reasoning behind the "3-step to 1-step" mapping?
JG: It helps us avoid an explicit list.
IJ: I think the choice of 3-step to 1-step is arbitrary
but doesn't reduce the scope sufficiently.
JG: At some point, I had proposed deleting 10.4.
KB: I'm nervous about the configuration issue; I'm not sure
that users will know how to use the configurations.
DP: I have some problems with JG's proposal due to number of
actions.
RS: I tend to agree with Kitch. I want to see something
concrete.
GR: I think we should allow any configuration, basically.
Since the user knows best their needs.
GR: With voice input, how do you distinguish 1 command from three
commands?
IJ: Should we talk to voice browser WG?
GR: Perhaps thinking in terms of voice would help us understand
our scope here.
How many people think every function (from a predefined
set) should be available for rebinding:
KB: I like the idea, but I see the potential UI nightmare.
DP: I agree with Kitch.
RS: I agree with Kitch.
GR: I don't think we can delete 10.4 if 10.5 has a limited
set of functionalities associated.
RS: Excessive configurability doesn't imply accessibility.
GR: I think that we should be considering what is configurable
first, not what is currently done today. 10.4 says that input
configuration may need to be changed. I don't see how you can
get around saying the whole range of functions available.
DP: We need to ensure that people can return to the default
easily (this is covered by 10.7).
JG: Does this mean that you want a built-in macro feature?
RS: Refer to what's required by virtue of 1.3 (through the keyboard
API). I think that we are requiring essentially macro operations.
If it takes you 5 steps in the UI, you need to be able to get at
all of them through keyboard sequences.
RS: Maybe we can say that the UA is required to support no more
than three keys in a sequence.
IJ: I think that we need to consider that something is
"single-stroke" when you can enter a particular mode. For
example, you enter "table" mode and you have 20 single-keys
available.
We could say for 10.5 that these functionalities have to be
available in any input mode.
IJ Proposal: Allow reconfiguration of default input configuration.
JG: We said that this checkpoint was not about changing UAs
conflicting with default input settings. We still need to
promote use of standard controls. I don't think you can rebind
how standard windows controls are activated.
RS: Then let's limit reconfiguration to those functionalities
where there's not a standard binding in the operating system.
RS: I think that people who need keyboard access would not want
to alter standard bindings.
Resolved:
- Reconfiguration must not be required for standard system
controls (i.e., where there are system conventions for bindings).
You can have additional controls for doing something (e.g.,
printing).
- GR: Note that there's a problem with accesskey since system
bindings are overridden in some browsers by specified
accesskeys.
- Reconfiguration is only required for those functionalities with
a binding in the default UA input configuration. This applies
to like input methods (e.g., keyboard bindings can be remapped
to other keyboard bindings). The minimal requirement for
remapping is modifier key and single key.
Action IJ: Write a proposal to the list for revised 10.4.
GR: I think that 10.4 and 10.5 should be the same. That we
get rid of the list of important functions and require the UA
to allow single-key access to everything you can do through
the keyboard by default.
Action GR/IJ: Talk about 10.4 and 10.5 offline.
Completed Action Items
10.KB: Propose new wording for natural language checkpoint
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0091.html
Open Action Items
1.IJ: Draft a preliminary executive summary/mini-FAQ for developers.
(No deadline.)
2.IJ: Add to note on checkpoint 8.1 the important cases that this
checkpoint must provide information through the user interface
3.IJ: Update document with resolutions from 7/13/00 telecon
4.IJ: Check usage of multi-media in document
5.IJ and EH: Propose definitions for what "presentation" and content
means
6.IJ: Formalize distinctions between "one step" and "one command"
defnitions
7.EH: Send comments on definitions of "primary content" to the list
for
consideration by the group
8.GR: Re-examine the orientation checkpoints and see whether they
can
be clarified to account for control of rendering of audio (and possibly
other content) on
load.
9.HB: Review note for checkpoint 8.1
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