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Re: longdescs and screen-shots

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:46:02 -0600
Message-Id: <4.1.20000316084031.00ab4da0@staff.uiuc.edu>
To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <unagi69@concentric.net>, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Cc: User Agent Guidelines Emailing List <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
The long description issue is one of the issues we will be discussing at
today telecon.  I must say your proposals are long descriptions and we can
discuss today what types of long descriptions are needed for different
types of images used in the document.

At 03:49 AM 3/16/00 -0500, Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote:
>aloha, ian & jon!
>while i know that the focus is now firmly upon the Guidelines document 
>itself, i am still concerned about the lack of long descriptions for the 
>screen shots that have been embedded into the Techniques document, as i 
>believe it would be unconscionable for the UA WG to issue a document on 
>accessibility without following accessible authoring practices...
>i have prepared 2 long descriptions for the screen snapshots which i 
>provided for the Techniques document, and in doing so, developed what i 
>believe to be a workable template for others to provide long descriptions 
>of the screen shots that they have contributed...
>this is an issue that i am ready to take a strong stand on, for to 
>distribute a Techniques document that includes screen shots that lack long 
>descriptions would set an extremely poor precedent...  in effect, we would 
>be telling others to do as WCAG says, but don't let it bother you that the 
>WAI itself doesn't always adhere to WCAG to the greatest extent possible....
>ian, i realize that you are one over-burdened individual, and i am amazed 
>by, and grateful for, all of the work, dedication, persistence and 
>perseverance that you continually display...  however, i am concerned that, 
>in the rush to get the document out, logistics have forced a certain amount 
>of corner-cutting -- in particular a failure to provide textual equivalents 
>that fully convey the content and purpose of the graphic when an 
>understanding of the detail contained in that graphic is essential to a 
>complete understanding of the concept being conveyed by the text of the 
>document in conjunction with the graphic...  moreover, simple D-links and 
>use of the "longdesc" attribute in the HTML version of the Techniques is 
>clearly insufficient -- the content of the longdesc files should be 
>included inline in the plain text version of the Techniques document, where 
>currently only the ALT text defined for the screen shots appears...
>i don't believe that it is your individual responsibility to provide 
>longdescs for all of the illustrations included in the Techniques document 
>-- clearly, it is the responsibility of the individuals who have provided 
>screen shots for inclusion into the Techniques document to also provide 
>long descriptions of those screen shots...  it was with that thought in 
>mind that i consciously created a template that could be recycled in order 
>to provide longdescs for the other graphical elements in the Techniques 
>and so, at the risk of incurring the wrath of the process wonks, i'm 
>attaching copies of the proposed longdesc files to this emessage, as a 
>means of getting the WG's input as to whether or not they think this is a 
>worthwhile endeavor to pursue...  the references to the TR stylesheets in 
>the doc source is absolute, so when the attached are archived in the 
>w3c-wai-ua hyperarchive the stylesheets should be applied 
>correctly...  some of what i've included in my longdescs could, perhaps, 
>find a more appropriate home elsewhere in the Techniques document, or even 
>in the Implementation document, but i included everything i believed 
>necessary to explain the content of the screen shot and the functionality 
>associated with each control illustrated by the screen shot...
>if the underlying template could be worked into your script, would it be 
>possible to include the attached (or some edited version thereof) in the 
>Techniques document?  could anyone who has submitted, or who is planning on 
>submitting, a screen shot for the Techniques document please also submit a 
>detailed description of the contents of the screen shot as well?  at the 
>very least, they could be incorporated into the plain text version of the 
>Techniques now, and added as actual D-linked (as well as longdesc-linked) 
>long descriptions when the script is adjusted to accomodate longdescs
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>Gregory J. Rosmaita      <unagi69@concentric.net>
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Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Chair, W3C WAI User Agent Working Group
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