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RE: wording of Checkpoint 7.5

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:04:27 -0500 (EST)
To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
cc: User Agent Guidelines Emailing List <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0001072301110.13534-100000@tux.w3.org>
I think we should be looking for information which is generally intended for
rendering, since we can't be certain what in fact will or won't be rendered
by a given uesr agent. In actual fact we have to settle for less tha this,
since there are currently many fomrts in use for images and sound that do not
allow searching of them (oh for SVG and SMIL and other searchable content to
be more widely deployed). But title and summary attributes in HTML are
explicitly intended to carry content meant for rendering, and may in fact be
rendered, so it makes good sense for them to be searchable. If they aren't
then a disabled user may be confused by the fact that reading through a
document they come across some text that they cannot find by searching for
it, even when they are focused on it...



Charles McCN

On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, Jon Gunderson wrote:

  In response to Denis:
  I think the basic requirement are for searching should be for information
  that is actually rendered by the user agent, no matter what the source.
  Information that Denis mentions may not typically be rendered, could be
  searched as an added feature and outlined in the techniques document.  Some
  user agents though may allow the types of information that Denis mentions
  to be rendered (through configuration).
  
  I think we should limit the search to rendered information.
  Jon
  
  
  At 09:25 AM 1/7/00 -0500, Denis Anson wrote:
  >I'd like to see the wording expanded to include things like the title
  >attribute and summary attribute for tables, which are not, in fact, rendered
  >under "normal" situations.  Titles can be rendered when they are pointed to,
  >and summaries are not rendered at all, but I sure would want to be able to
  >search on them!
  >
  >How would you find information stored in a title if you can't search on it?
  >Just point to everything on the page, and hope it pops up some where?
  >
  >Denis
  >
  >-----Original Message-----
  >From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org]On
  >Behalf Of Gregory J. Rosmaita
  >Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:48 PM
  >To: Jon Gunderson
  >Cc: User Agent Guidelines Emailing List
  >Subject: Re: wording of Checkpoint 7.5
  >
  >
  >jon suggested:
  >
  >quote
  >Checkpoint 7.5 Allow the user to search for rendered text content, including
  >text equivalents rendered in place of or simultaneously with the primary
  >content.
  >unquote
  >
  >hmm...  short, concise, and to the point...  i like it...
  >
  >and, as ian suggested, if the verbiage contained in my proposed note isn't
  >already in the techniques document, it should be added to the techniques and
  >not the UAGL itself...
  >
  >gregory.
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