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Re: Issues: Part 2 - #16 through #43

From: jon gunderson <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:19:42 -0600 (CST)
To: Denis Anson <danson@miseri.edu>
cc: Bryan Campbell <bryany@pathcom.com>, w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9911261918400.17145-100000@staff2.cso.uiuc.edu>
Thanks for refreshing my memory on this one Denis.
I think these are important concepts that we should consider in the
guidelines.
Jon


On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Denis Anson wrote:

> Under the WHO/NIDRR model of disability, impairments and disabilities are 
> two different things.  An impairment is caused by pathophysiology, and
> describes the inability to contract the muscles of the lens of the eye, to
> contract a muscle, and similar types of difficulties.  A "functional
> limitation" is the inability to perform an action because of an impairment.
> A person who is unable to discriminate text below 14 pt. has a functional
> limitation.  A disability is the inability to perform a task in the
> environment under consideration.  The inability to read a web page that is
> displayed in a small font is a disability.
> 
> Note that these are medical terminology, and have specific meanings.  Hence,
> the term "visual impairment" is exactly the right term for us to use when
> talking about accommodating to a persons abilities so that they have access.
> If we do not accommodate, then the person has a disability.
> 
> Denis Anson
> 
> ----------
> >From: Bryan Campbell <bryany@pathcom.com>
> >To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
> >Subject: Re: Issues: Part 2 - #16 through #43
> >Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999, 6:38 PM
> >
> 
> > 10:54 AM 24-11-99 -0500 Madeleine Rothberg <Madeleine_Rothberg@wgbh.org>
> wrote:
> >>Here are some comments on a variety of issues raised by Eric Hansen,
> >>snipped from Ian's recent reply.
> >>>EH: > Issue #37. Reconsider the use of the term "visual impairment".
> >>> In our organization, the term is considered insensitive (unfair). Use
> >>> "visual disability". The preferred terms can change, but keeping up with
> >>> the preferred terms is important.
> >
> >>MR: my organization does use the term visually impaired, but
> >>if others feel it is out of date WAI could decide to drop it.
> >
> > Hiya!
> > I'm a person whose disabled with Cerebral Palsy so I deal with significant
> > motor impairment. Disabled or disability seems to deal with the general
> > instance while impairment describes a somewhat specific diminution of
> > ability, both words are useful. Moreover, context can make anything
> > insensitive & is best dealt at that time. Most vital here is that we give as
> > much information as we can to harried developers so they produce very usable
> > programs. To that end everyone should read "First Principles of Design"
> > http://www.asktog.com/basics/firstPrinciples.html
> >
> > 2 musts are: {Quote "Effective interfaces do not concern the user with the
> > inner workings of the system. Work is carefully and continuously saved, with
> > full option for the user to undo any activity at any time.
> >
> > Effective applications and services perform a maximum of work, while
> > requiring a minimum of information from users." Unquote}
> >
> > It maybe that mainstream UAs aren't asked to do enough in particular regards
> > Guildlines 4 & 10 while the section of the page named "Efficiency of the
> > user" suggests searching for links is too much work for folks
> >
> > [snip]
> >>MR: I can't locate the first mention of the "captions vs closed captions"
> > issue.
> >>I'd like to weigh in that I think the term "closed captions" is useful in
> >>distinuishing between information intended to replace audio tracks, and
> >>typically intended for use by people who are deaf, and any other thing called
> >>a caption, such as a photo caption or table caption. Because closed captioning
> >>is quite well known, I think it is helpful to continue using that term in that
> >>context
> > [snip]
> >>Madeleine Rothberg
> >>The CPB/WGBH National Center for Accessible Media
> >
> > When the group has input from someone in a given field it should follow her
> > lead. That ensures the Guildline are understood in general, public terms
> > beyond the Accessibility realm. Ms Rothberg makes the excellent point
> > "closed captions" are understood as a means of also having a moving text
> > display of audio output. The option has been on every TV set sold for many
> > years while many Web pages offer display of a photo or caption that is a
> > text description of 1 photo analogous a to newspaper caption of a photo. The
> > timing of Ms Rothberg's note shouldn't affect it usefulness
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bryan
> >
> > ->"It has been said the pebbles can't stop the avalanche, guess the pebbles
> > didn't have access to the Web!"
> >
> > 
> 
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