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MINUTES(edited) W3C WAI User Agent Telecon 10 November 1999

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:16:21 -0600
Message-Id: <4.1.19991110141330.02b38d30@staff.uiuc.edu>
To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Attendance

Chair: Jon Gunderson

Scribe: Ian Jacobs

RSVP Present:
Charles McCathieNevile 
David Poehlman 
Harvey Bingham 
Kitch Barnicle 
Gregory J. Rosmaita
Dick Brown
Madeleine Rothberg
Jim Allan
Mickey Quenzer 
Rich Schwerdtfeger

RSVP Regrets: 
Mark Novak
Al Gilman



Action Items

Completed Action Items

   1.IJ: Send revision of table checkpoint to the list AND include in last
call document
     http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105 

   2.IJ: Mark relative priority of Checkpoint 6.1 as a current issue for
the group and we want last call comments
     http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105 

   3.IJ: Prepare guidelines document for last call, based on todays discussion 
     http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105 

   4.IJ: Prepare techniques document for last call, based on current
unprocessed techniques submissions
     http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-TECHS-19991105/ 

   5.IJ: Make 9 and 10 December F2F meeting at IBM in Austin, TX
information available
     http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/1999/12/ua-agenda 

   6.HR: Find information about European contacts who may be interested in
reviewing the document during last call 
     Status: Dropped 

   7.MR: Working on SMIL techniques 
     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0267.html 

   8.AG: Send HTML discussion to list related to table markup
     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0247.html 

Continued Action Items 

   1.IJ: Propose how the conformance checklist will be delivered 

   2.DB: Contact person in Windows media group to agree to review last call
draft when available 

   3.MN: Contact someone at United Cerebral Palsy to agree to review last
call draft when available 
     Status: No response 

   4.MN: Suggest a last call reviewer at Apple computer
     Status: No response 

   5.MQ: Find someone from WinAmp, SigTuna to agree to review last call
draft when available 
     Status: still looking 

   6.TL: Get feedback from MS IE Team on usability of 5 October Techniques
structure (wait for next draft). 

New Action Items 

   1.IJ: If W3C Comm Team develops a statement related to NFB vs. AOL, keep
the UAGL WG informed. 

   2.IJ: Review techniques for topic 3.2 

   3.JG: Confirm 7 December telecon date with systems people 

   4.JG: Review techniques for Guideline 2 

   5.JG: Review techniques for Guideline 8 

   6.KB: Post information about Easy Access/Infrared technology to list as
a proposal for inclusion in the techniques document 

   7.KB: Update impact matrix based on 5 November draft. 

   8.KB: Review techniques for Guideline 7 

   9.RS: Send last call document to IBM's Web Team in Austin. 

  10.RS: Review techniques for Guideline 1 

  11.JA: Review techniques for topic 3.1 

  12.JA: Review techniques for Guideline 3 

  13.JA: Review techniques for Guideline 4 

  14.MR: Review techniques for topic 3.1 (Multi-media) 

  15.MR: Review techniques for Guideline 3 (Multi-media) 

  16.MR: Review techniques for Guideline 4 (Multi-media) 

  17.DB: Contact Dave Bolnick about SAMI access. 

  18.DB: Review techniques for Guideline 5 

  19.CMN: Review techniques for Guideline 9 

  20.CMN: Review techniques for topic 3.6 

  21.MQ: Review techniques for Guideline 10 

  22.DP: Review techniques for Guideline 11 

  23.GR: Review techniques for Guideline 11 

  24.GR: Review techniques for topic 3.5 

  25.HB: Review techniques for topic 3.3 



Minutes

NOTE: Sign up for UAGL Austin Face-to-Face:

17 November deadline for hotel reservations (refer to [0]). 

25 November deadline for meeting registration [0] [0]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/1999/12/ua-agenda 

Agenda [1]

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0262.html 

1) Action Item review

   1.IJ: Propose how the conformance checklist will be delivered 
     Status: Not Done. But did put a note in the last call guidelines. 
   2.2.IJ: Send revision of table checkpoint to the list AND include in
last call document 
     Done: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105 
   3.3.IJ: Mark relative priority of Checkpoint 6.1 as a current issue for
the group and we want last call comments 
     Done: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105 
   4.4.IJ: Prepare guidelines document for last call, based on todays
discussion 
     Done: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105 
   5.5.IJ: Prepare techniques document for last call, based on current
unprocessed techniques submissions 
     Done: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-TECHS-19991105/ 
   6.6.IJ: Make 9 and 10 December F2F meeting at IBM in Austin, TX
information available 
     Done: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/1999/12/ua-agenda 
   7.7.HR: Find information about European contacts who may be interested
in reviewing the document during last call 

     JG: No info from HR. Status: Dropped for HR. 

     GR: I've contacted some people. 

   8.8.TL: Get feedback from MS IE Team on usability of 5 October
Techniques structure (wait for next draft). 

     IJ: I'll follow up at MS next week. 

   9.9.MN: Contact someone at United Cerebral Palsy to agree to review last
call draft when available 
  10.10.MN: Suggest a last call reviewer at Apple computer 

     JG: MN has not reply yet from UCP or Apple. 

  11.11.MR: Working on SMIL techniques 
     Done: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0267.html 
  12.12.DB: Contact person in Windows media group to agree to review last
call draft when available 
     Pending: Contacted Ian McDowell, no reply yet. 
  13.13.MQ: Find someone from WinAmp, SigTuna to agree to review last call
draft when available 
  14.14.AG: Send HTML discussion to list related to table markup 
     Done: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0242.html 

2) AOL/NFB Lawsuit

JG: I called Curtis Chong (of NFB) to review UAGL. I sent a generic email
to AOL pointing them to the document. 

JG: I was contacted by NFB lawyers yesterday. 

IJ: Please don't speak as reps of W3C; instead forward any requests to W3C
Comm Team. You should write to w3t-pr@w3.org and address Janet
Daly and Ian Jacobs. 

Action Ian: If W3C Comm Team develops a statement, keep the UAGL WG informed. 

3) Exceptional teleconf proposed for Tuesday 7 December. 

Regrets: HB (XML Conference), KB, CMN (down under). 

IJ: It seems as though Tobin bridge open from 12-1pm ET. 

Action JG: Confirm this date with systems people 

4) Additional last call reviewers

JB: Just send them the URL in the invitation to review and cc Jon or Ian. 

5) WCAG is beginning rechartering process. Attend those teleconfs and send
comments if you wish.

6) Techniques Document review.

DEADLINE FOR TECHNIQUES: 17 November (preferable 15 November). 

IJ: If you come upon an issue during a review, please send issues to the
list in individual emails (not as part of a larger techniques document). 

IJ: Please send *specific* techniques. My apologies for current
language/inconsistencies/unreadability. 

1.1: Be more specific to mouse and keyboard. 

IJ: Problems? 

HB: Some table questions not yet resolved. 

JG: Propose that if an accessible API is not available, then implement one. 

IJ: I don't think we should require them to implement additional APIs. 

MR: It sounds like some devices don't have keyboard API. 

IJ: Requirement to use keyboard API in systems where it's standard. 

KB: Does this have to be a checkpoint? Or can it be a technique? 

GR: I can see the utility of such a checkpoint. But at this point in the
process, I don't know whether we know enough to make its own checkpoint. 

KB: So would the checkpoint say "Whatever device you're using, provide an
accessible way to access it." 

IJ: I think hardware requirements are out of scope. We haven't discussed
"devices" before, only software. 

DP: Some systems that have only a user agent (i.e., not a UA on top of an
operating system). 

Action KB: Post information about Easy Access/Infrared technology to list. 

Technique review and expansions:

Jim Allan: Propose CSS Techniques 
(section 3.1 and individual checkpoints, notably of G3 and G4.) 

User Agent Accessibility Guidelines 

     Guideline 1. Support input and output device-independence
     Review by: Rich Schwerdtfeger 

     Guideline 2. Ensure user access to all content
     Review by: Jon Gunderson 

     Guideline 3. Allow the user to turn off rendering or behavior that may
reduce accessibility
     Review by: Jim Allan, Madeliene Rothberg (multi-media) 

     Guideline 4. Ensure user control over styles 
     Reviewer: Jim Allan, Madeleine Rothberg (multi-media) 

     Guideline 5. Observe operating system conventions and standard interfaces 
     Reviewer: Dick Brown 

     Guideline 6. Implement open specifications and their accessibility
features 
     Reviewer: none, see references fo MR SMIL and SAMI techniques, DB will
ask someone from Microsoft Multi-media to review 

     Guideline 7. Provide navigation mechanisms 
     Reviewer: Kitch Barnicle 

     Guideline 8. Help orient the user 
     Reviewer: Jon Gunderson 

     Guideline 9. Notify the user of content and viewport changes 
     Reviewer: Charlese McCathieNevile 

     Guideline 10. Allow the user to configure the user agent 
     Reviewer: Mickey Quenzer 

     Guideline 11. Provide accessible product documentation and help
     Reviewer: Gregory J. Rosmaita, David Poehlman 

Accessibility Topics 

     3.1 User control of style 
     Reviewer: Jim Allan 

     3.2 Link techniques 
     Reviewer: Ian Jacons 

     3.3 Table techniques 
     Reviewer: Harvey Bingham 

     3.4 Frame techniques 
     Reviewer: none 

     3.5 Form techniques
     Reviewer: Gregory J. Rosmaita 

     3.6 Script techniques 
     Reviewer: Charles McCathieNevile 

     3.7 Abbreviations and acronyms 
     Reviewer: none 

IJ: Review Madeleine's techniques (for G2). 

JA: A lot of MR's techniques fall into Guideline on control of style. 

IJ: Goal: 
a) Have a technique for each checkpoint. 
b) Ensure that every checkpoint implemented in some browser. 

Action RS: Send last call document to IBM's Web Team in Austin. 

JG: Any documented accessibility features of SAMI? 

Action DB: Contact Dave Bolnick about SAMI access. 

Note: IJ and CMN will be at MS next week to discuss Guidelines with IE Team. 

JG: Add a new topic: Extensibility of user agent UI. 
(add menu items, add code, etc.) 

GR: Is this using visual basic? 

JG: Not necessarily. You can add menu items and code. 

RS: You can add chrome around browsing window. You can embed the browsing
component in a separate application. 

JG: You can add items to the registry. 

IJ: Seems to me to be covered by the configuration Guideline. 

RS: We haven't discussed embedding browser into other applications 
(e.g., specific look and feel for a particular disability). 

7) On checkpoint 10.2 

DB: Would prefer P3, but can live with P2. Still waiting for review. 

8) RS: "Implement" or "Support" HTML 4.0?

IJ: "Support" for things without specs. "Implement" for things with specs. 

9) No last call comments have come in yet!

10) Bryan Campbell's concern about deletion of keyboard Guideline.

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0254.html 

JG: We'll have this on our list of last call issues. 

JG: Will discuss further at face-to-face based on other input as well. 

GR: I've talked to Bryan a little off-line to reassure him. 

GR supports keyboard, but felt it was logically inconsistent to push for
device independence while emphasizing keyboard. Pointed Bryan to initial
proposal and asked to review last call draft to see if his concerns were
addressed. 

11) Impact matrix

Action KB: Update impact matrix based on 5 November draft. 

12) Current appendix for dependent UA functionalities

IJ: Does anyone have any objections? 

None. 

Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Chair, W3C WAI User Agent Working Group
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
College of Applied Life Studies
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
1207 S. Oak Street, Champaign, IL  61820

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