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Fwd: UA Guidelines

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@staff.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:30:01 -0700
Message-Id: <199908191725.MAA17358@staff1.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
>Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:24:28 -0700
>To: thatch@us.ibm.com
>From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@staff.uiuc.edu>
>Subject: UA Guidelines 
>
>Jim,
>I agree with you that we have been working on the guidelines for a long
time and there is a danger of developing our own language that is not going
to be useful to developers.  We are hoping to go to last call soon and will
be putting the guidelines to a test from the entire W3C membership.  We are
trying to develop the techniques document to provide a better description
of what issue each of the checkpoints is intending to solve.
>
>I appologize if my e-mail responses have sounded condensending, I had no
intent to do so.  Input from yourself and others is critical if these
guidelines to be useful to developers. 
>
>We are scheduling a face to face meeting in Redman, Washington on October
11th-12th.  I would encourage you to attend the meeting.  I think your
participation would help us improve the guidelines.
>
>Jon
>
>At 09:36 PM 8/18/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>I get the impression that you guys have been working so long on these
>>checkpoints without others interacting that when someone comes in and
says, what
>>does that mean, you think, wow, she must be out in left field.
>>
>>Yes I am fully aware that the techniques document is not ready. But, darn
it, we
>>are on the same side, so to speak, I know assistive technology, and I
know the
>>web. The responses I have gotten have been like pontification. Quote This
is the
>>way it is Endquote.
>>
>>On the subject checkpoint, the wording is not consistent with the
glossary. I
>>believe that quote frame viewports endquote does not make sense. And the
>>checkpoint should not require reference to a glossary. If this is
important,  if
>>should stand on its own.  That is true for other checkpoints I have asked
about.
>>
>>I believe that if I can't understand the points being made, then it is a
problem
>>with the wording of the points.  If I can't evaluate an agent against the
>>checkpoints/guidelines then there is a problem with the checkpoints.
>>
>>Thanks for thanking me for the comments!
>>
>>Jim Thatcher
>>IBM Special Needs Systems
>>www.ibm.com/sns
>>thatch@us.ibm.com
>>(512)838-0432
>>
>>
>>Jon Gunderson <jongund@staff.uiuc.edu> on 08/18/99 11:04:57 AM
>>
>>To:   James Thatcher/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
>>cc:   ij@w3.org
>>Subject:  Re: checkpoint 8.1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Jim,
>>There is a definition of views in Appendix A of the guidelines document
>>which should help clarify the meaning of views.  It maybe useful to have a
>>link on the key word "view" to the definition.  I will check with Ian on
>>the possibility of doing that.
>>
>>Thanks again for your comments, they are very important for getting this
>>document into a usable shape.
>>Jon
>>
>>
>>At 06:18 PM 8/17/99 -0500, thatch@us.ibm.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Here is 8.1:
>>>
>>>Allow the user to navigate views (notably those with frame viewports).
>>>
>>>I don't know what this means. The view menus of IE, Opera and Netscape
don't
>>>offer any guidance. The terminology needs refining. Not only do I not know
>>what
>>>a view is, neither do I know what one is with a frame viewport. But then
>>again,
>>>I don't know what a frame viewport is.
>>>
>>>That all makes me pretty stupid, I recogonize, which is no surprise to me.
>>But I
>>>put myself at the high end on probablity of understanding one of these
>>>checkpoints. This is probably just a wording problem. Please help with
>>different
>>>words.
>>>
>>>Jim Thatcher
>>>IBM Special Needs Systems
>>>www.ibm.com/sns
>>>thatch@us.ibm.com
>>>(512)838-0432
>>>
>>Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
>>Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
>>Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
>>University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
>>1207 S. Oak Street
>>Champaign, IL 61820
>>
>>Voice: 217-244-5870
>>Fax: 217-333-0248
>>E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu
>>WWW: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~jongund
>>     http://www.als.uiuc.edu/InfoTechAccess
>> 
Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
1207 S. Oak Street
Champaign, IL 61820

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