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Re: WCAG needs to do this - Any user testing of WCAG 2.1 at CSUN

From: Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 20:10:19 -0800
Message-ID: <CAJeQ8SBm9PhAvbkxcsgOfsLUdQsfs-4wj-DYQ92GGZW7Ki0PMg@mail.gmail.com>
To: ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>
Cc: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Hi Again,
Here is how we could proceed.

Part A Identify testing populations
1. We need to identify groups that have conventions serve a specific
disability group. ... Like my own Council of Citizens with Low Vision
International or the California Council of Citizens with Low Vision.
2. Contact the Convention coordinators and secure a presentation slot.
3. We can arrange for a notice to be sent out  to the relevant members
notifying them of our intention to do user testing.

Part B Develope population specific tests
1. Identify the success criteria we would need to test for each group.
2. Develop test materials that members of the target group can use.
3. Create assessment content.
4. Review the content to determine if it appropriate for human participants.
5. Assemble the software and hardware needed to perform human testing at a
conference setting.
6. Do onsite testing.

This would take money. The idea of doing it at conferences might address a
perennial problem of much testing: getting sufficient sample size. So I
think a fund raising phase would be in order.

I think it is a proposal worth considering.

Wayne


On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:46 PM, ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wayne,
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> All good points.
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> I’d love to see how this works out.
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> I’m sure you realize that the majority of those that depend on this work
> are not technical.
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> It is their input and viewpoints that need to be considered to help
> validate if we are on the right track.
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> Best.
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> *From: *Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, March 2, 2018 6:12 PM
> *To: *ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>; Alastair Campbell
> <acampbell@nomensa.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject: *Re: WCAG needs to do this - Any user testing of WCAG 2.1 at
> CSUN
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> Hello All,
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> Having done a lot of user testing through our Center for Usability Design
> and Accessibility, I think that planning a test for CSUN at this time would
> not be productive. It takes real planning to get a decent sample for
> statistical analysis. We don't need a non-scientific survey from users.
> Also, there is a real technology gap between us and many end users at CSUN.
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> Recently I sent a description of the new WCAG additions to the California
> Citizens with Low Vision (about 90 members). The success criteria are so
> precise and technical that explaining just one takes a lot of teaching for
> these end users. It is important to not that members of the CCLV are tech
> savvy. At CSUN we get end users  with no computer or assistive technology
> skills, and a lot of them. Reflow is a good example. Explaining 320px
> instead of a magnification factor is very tricky. I don't believe our
> support materials are sufficient for end users yet.
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> I would suggest setting things up with advocacy groups conferences like
> the annual Meetings of the NFB or ACB. CCLV is a part of ACB. We could set
> up an afternoon session and a table for testing.
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> For low vision the California Group is very active, they meet in October.
> I sure the COGA people could identify good venus for testing as well.
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> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:57 AM, ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com> wrote:
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> John,
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> I completely understand the logistics and challenges of setting this up.
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> I’m a tenacious, make it happen leader who is passionate for the disabled.
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> What discomfort and challenges we may face in assisting them with our work
> and talents is nothing compared to what many of them experience 24/7 day
> and night.
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> Here is my executive action plan:
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>    1. The Value:
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>    1. This is perhaps the greatest opportunity to have the audience for
>       which WCAG is intended for be able to  - and in person - participate and
>       give input and feedback.
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>    1. The Past:
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>    1. The opportunity to set this up months ago was missed.
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>    1. Now:
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>    1. This is the WCAG, the body that sets up the guidelines and
>       international standards for most of what CSUN topics are based on.
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>    1. The Action:
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>    1. Tell CSUN that: we see great value in this type of effort, we
>       missed the opportunity to plan for it,  how can we get it set up for the
>       sake of the international disabled community.
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>    1. I am able to assist in any way needed.
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> Alan Smith
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> *From: *John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:24 AM
> *To: *ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Any user testing of WCAG 2.1 at CSUN
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> ​Alan wrote:
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> > The How:
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> I had not thought about the how. I figured it was something that should
> have been planned by WCAG.
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> ​
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> The big problem. Planning for CSUN starts (started) at least 6 months ago,
> and even as a W3C Working Group we started planning for our Face-to-Face
> meetings at CSUN back before Christmas. Finding a location to do this kind
> of user-testing is a bit of a logistics problem, as often spaces in advance
> of, or post-CSUN are hard to come by, and during the event CSUN tends to
> take over much if not all of the available space. Setting up a "testing
> lab" at this short juncture would likely fail, even though it is a good
> idea.
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> As you noted, there will likely be a number of presentations at CSUN
> focused on the new SC in WCAG 2.1, and we can still have hallway chats and
> other social activities to discuss them with end-users in attendance. It
> would have been a great idea, but we should have started planning for it in
> October...
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> JF
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> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 7:59 AM, ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Alastair,
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> I appreciate your reply.
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> The What:
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> I thought: CSUN is a captive audience and this would be a great way to
> have WCAG get out into the real world with real users and in person present
> what is planned and find out if it will actually work for real users with
> diabilities.
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> The How:
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> I had not thought about the howt. I figured it was something that should
> have been planned by WCAG.
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> After I sent this query originally to another email list, I did find  that
> David MacDonald is doing something like this with a presentation on
> Wednesday at 9:00 am.
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> Best.
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> Alan Smith
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> *From: *Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:17 AM
> *To: *ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Any user testing of WCAG 2.1 at CSUN
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> Hi Alan,
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> >  is there any effort to have actual users with disabilities who may be
> attending CSUN queried on whether the new SCs in WCAG 2.1 will in fact meet
> the needs of those they are intended for?
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> I suspect that no site will ‘meet the needs’ of everyone, it would be a
> case of how much does it improve the access & experience for people with
> particular needs.
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> Therefore there are two possible approaches to this question:
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> 1.      Research into what change the success criteria have made to
> websites, and what difference that makes to people (difficult before sites
> start updating to meet them).
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> 2.      Demos of what impact the changes based on meeting the success
> criteria have.
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> The second approach (demos) is a lot easier to do, in revising our site I
> could probably provide examples for reflow & content-on-hover because those
> were two new issues that we are changing the site in order to meet the new
> SC.
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> If you mean are we trying to do the research approach, that’s a lot of
> prep to find particular sites with issues affected by 2.1-only criteria… it
> would be easier after sites start trying to meet it.
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> -Alastair
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> --
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> John Foliot
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> Principal Accessibility Strategist
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> Deque Systems Inc.
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> john.foliot@deque.com
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> Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion
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