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Re: WCAG violations or accessibility enhancements

From: Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:28:08 -0500
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To: "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>
Cc: Duff Johnson <duff@duff-johnson.com>, w3c-wai-ig <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Great discussion, I completely agree....:-)

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On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Sean Murphy (seanmmur) <seanmmur@cisco.com>

> Duff
> Love your analogy. This could break when we have self-driving  cars
> though. :-)
> Still a good analogy.
> Regards
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> From: Duff Johnson [mailto:duff@duff-johnson.com]
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> Subject: Re: WCAG violations or accessibility enhancements
> A fascinating discussion! I want to offer a couple of points:
> 1)  We are living in an HTML world, and HTML is a lousy language for
> semantics. The reason why the world ever started to use <h1> to tag a
> document’s title is that HTML’s developers thought that “title” was a
> metadata concept, not a page-content concept. They were wrong… and the
> HTML-based world now lives with the consequences. This is a good reason,
> btw, to avoid thinking of HTML as definitive of content semantics; it’s not.
> 2) This failing of HTML with respect to semantics in general and the title
> concept in particular, is a good vector for understanding the problem of
> skipped headings. When there’s fundamental confusion over the purpose of
> <h1> (title? first section heading??), you can expect headings in general
> to suffer. This is *before* we get to the problem that most authors are
> thinking of style, not structure, when they use heading tags.
> 3)  HTML-thinking encourages several unspoken assumptions about content,
> most egregiously, the idea that:
> - HTML pages are relatively short; most with relatively few headings
> - Each page is an independent entity (not a part of a larger semantic
> construct)
> These assumptions drive users to:
> - Treat headings as semi-arbitrary styling rather than critical semantics
> - Fail to consider larger documents when considering what’s necessary to
> accessibilty
> For the record… I am a BIG FAN of requiring (for accessibility purposes)
> that headings do not skip. It’s fair to say that it’s my fault (along with
> some collaborators) that such a requirement was included in PDF/UA-1.
> I still feel that headings should not skip - and that (admitting some
> edge-cases) any specification for accessible content should require they do
> not. However, as a professional standards developer, I now believe that
> it’s not appropriate for PDF/UA (or any technology specification) to
> include such a requirement.. and indeed, the WG developing PDF/UA-2 has
> removed this requirement - along with other content requirements - from its
> draft.
> One must understand that standards are intended for very specific
> purposes. Technology requirements are quite distinct from content
> requirements. An analogy might help.
> Consider a car. It’s a bundle of technologies that enable travel from A to
> B. Correct use of a car includes little things like:
> - Don’t drive on the sidewalk
> - Stay on your side of the road
> - Dip your headlights around other vehicles at night …and so on.
> These things are critical to safe use of the car. However, it would be
> wrong to try to include these requirements as part of safety specifications
> *for the car*. We certainly need specifications to define a safe car
> (bumpers, headlights, airbags, seatbelts, etc.)… but we need *other*
> specifications for the “users” - the human drivers. We call these the
> "rules of the road".
> OK, returning to the accessibility world..
> File-formats (HTML, PDF) are vehicles for content; they are not content
> incarnate. The formats need to include all the necessary structures such
> that it’s possible to use the format in an accessible way. But a rule such
> as “don’t skip headings” is not a file-format issue; it’s a usage issue,
> analogous to the “rules of the road”.
> We need two kinds of standards for accessibility. For technology we need
> rules to ensure that relevant objects are available and representable. For
> users we need rules to ensure that accessibility considerations are part of
> the authoring process.
> Both WCAG 2.0 and PDF/UA-1 confuse this issue: they are both a pastiche of
> technology AND content requirements.
> I understand why the world developed this way: people want software to
> somehow automagically impose content  requirements because otherwise
> authors get it wrong, and/or must be laboriously trained to do the right
> thing.
> Governments want to keep things simple… so requiring that software adhere
> to one standard and users adhere to another seems “confusing”… until you
> realize that handing drivers a list of requirements for safe car design
> doesn’t help them learn how to drive safely… and handing car manufacturers
> a copy of the Rules of the Road doesn’t help them to make better seatbelts
> or headlights.
> The government uses completely separate agencies to regulate car
> manufacturing and driving regulations. Our problem in this industry is that
> we’re using the *same* agency to try to accomplish distinct, divergent
> objectives.
> Duff.
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