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Re: Speech Viewer for JAWS?

From: Mitchell Evan <mtchllvn@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2018 02:01:24 +0000
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To: "Wright, Isaiah" <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>
Cc: "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>, Steve Green <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>, Tim Harshbarger <tim.harshbarger.cqwg@statefarm.com>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
When I've observed screen reader users in a UX research context, another
challenge I've run into is not knowing what rapid series of keystrokes the
user just hit. We have video for touchscreen interactions and screen
capture for mouse movements. I wonder, can one of these tools record all
screen reader keystrokes interleaved with the speech? That would be the
winner, in my opinion.

Regarding your last question. As long as the text is getting appended to a
file in near real time, there must be a way to view it. Something like Unix
tail | YourTextViewerUtility.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 3:41 PM Wright, Isaiah <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com> wrote:

> I just got this /z option working and tested it out during one of my
> feedback sessions. This will be tremendously helpful when I go back and
> analyze multiple sessions to look for usability/accessibility issues.
> Thanks!
>
>
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> I wish they also had a real-time speech viewer so I can see what JAWS is
> saying during an actual feedback session. Some of my participants are super
> users and use a very high JAWS speech rate. I struggle to follow along and
> comprehend what is being read. A live speech viewer can help me follow
> along and process what the user is doing on screen.
>
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> *Isaiah M. Wright*
>
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> *From:* Sean Murphy (seanmmur) [mailto:seanmmur@cisco.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 5:34 PM
> *To:* Tim Harshbarger <tim.harshbarger.cqwg@statefarm.com>; Wright,
> Isaiah <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>; Steve Green <
> steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
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> *Subject:* RE: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
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> As have previously mention, the /z option which does work in the latest
> version of Jaws saves everything to a log file. Very useful for debugging
> speech. Jaws from 18.0 and later is meant to show you where the cursor is
> in a web page. Not sure if the feature is on by default or not.
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> Regards
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> *From:* Tim Harshbarger [mailto:tim.harshbarger.cqwg@statefarm.com
> <tim.harshbarger.cqwg@statefarm.com>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 1 March 2018 5:19 AM
> *To:* Wright, Isaiah <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>; Steve Green <
> steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
>
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>
> JAWS does have a Speech History view, but it only records about the last
> 40-50 lines of speech and it isn’t displayed like NVDA’s speech window.
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> If you have the option, you might just want to keep an audio record of the
> screen reader output if not a video record of it.
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> Thanks,
>
> Tim
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> *From:* Wright, Isaiah [mailto:Isaiah.Wright@ally.com
> <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 11:55 AM
> *To:* Steve Green <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
>
>
>
> I just emailed them Steve. It looks promising. I can’t find a price tag on
> their website but I have a call setup with them a couple of weeks and I’m
> sure they will let me know what it costs.
>
>
>
> *Isaiah M. Wright*
>
> Usability Research  | Integrated Channels & Experience
>
> 440 S. Church St., Charlotte NC 28202
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> T + 704 444 4694  |  isaiah.wright@ally.com
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> *From:* Steve Green [mailto:steve.green@testpartners.co.uk
> <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 12:32 PM
> *To:* w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
>
>
>
> You could look at JAWS Inspect, which is supposed to do this – I will
> evaluate it when I get some time. It’s not cheap but it could be worth it
> if you do a lot of development or testing.
>
>
>
> https://www.paciellogroup.com/products/jaws-inspect/
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> Steve Green
>
> Managing Director
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> Test Partners Ltd
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> *From:* Michael Gower [mailto:michael.gower@ca.ibm.com
> <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>]
> *Sent:* 28 February 2018 17:15
> *To:* Wright, Isaiah <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>
> *Cc:* w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Speech Viewer for JAWS?
>
>
>
> Isaiah, please have a look at Speech History to see if this is something
> like what you're looking for.
>
> http://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/2014_12_3_using_jaws_speech_history/02_Speech_History_Mode.htm
>
> Michael Gower
> IBM Accessibility
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> From:        "Wright, Isaiah" <Isaiah.Wright@ally.com>
> To:        "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Date:        2018-02-28 08:49 AM
> Subject:        Speech Viewer for JAWS?
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> Sorry for the double post – I sent my previous email with the wrong
> subject line!
>
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> NVDA offers a great feature called Speech Viewer which allows you to
> visually see what the screen reader is saying. Does JAWS have an equivalent
> to this? Through a google search, I found a thread from 2013 that suggested
> using JAWS Braille viewer. It looked promising but it only displays the
> first 40 characters of what is being read.
>
>
>
> I am a user experience (UX) researcher and I’m conducting some
> accessibility testing on our site with real users. It would be great if I
> could read and save everything that the screen reader is saying. This will
> help me analyze what users did so that I can make recommendations to our
> creative teams on things they can change in order to make users’
> experiences more delightful.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> *-Isaiah M. Wright*
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Mitchell Evan
mtchllvn@gmail.com
+1 (510) 375-6104


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