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Re: Table Scope=row working with screen reader?

From: Ludovic GIAMBIASI <ludovic.giambiasi@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:40:34 +0000
Message-ID: <CA+Ekjg6aeFtBsRar0PRc3fatECsx+a_CGDAHNXGrXXv7gLfvVQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Subramanian, Poornima (PCL)" <psubramanian@hagroup.com>
Cc: ALAN SMITH <alands289@gmail.com>, "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>, Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Hi,

here the write way to use scope in tables :

https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/tables/

Regards,
Ludo,


Le mar. 27 févr. 2018 à 16:34, Subramanian, Poornima (PCL) <
psubramanian@hagroup.com> a écrit :

> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Thank you for your responses. It was greatly helpful.
>
>
>
> Yes, assigning the scope=’col’ and ‘row’ makes it announce the headers
> while navigating through column/row separately. But they are NOT announced
> together. As it would make more sense to understand the table values with
> both row & column headers together.
>
>
>
> I was thinking there will be some specific keyboard shortcut or coding way
> to make it possible, but I infer that is not the case (tested both on JAWS
> & NVDA).
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Poornima.
>
>
>
> *From:* ALAN SMITH [mailto:alands289@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 26, 2018 10:24 PM
> *To:* Sean Murphy (seanmmur) <seanmmur@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk>; Subramanian, Poornima (PCL) <
> psubramanian@hagroup.com>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: Table Scope=row working with screen reader?
>
>
>
> Please note that <td> scope attribute is not supported in HTML5 from all
> sources that I've found.
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2018 7:28 PM, "Sean Murphy (seanmmur)" <seanmmur@cisco.com>
> wrote:
>
> Agreed, you only want to hear the column or row heading based on the
> navigation as  Léonie outlined.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Léonie Watson [mailto:tink@tink.uk]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2018 8:40 AM
> To: Subramanian, Poornima (PCL) <psubramanian@hagroup.com>;
> w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Table Scope=row working with screen reader?
>
> On 26/02/2018 21:12, Subramanian, Poornima (PCL) wrote:
> > We are coding for a simple table where scope=column and scope=row
> > defined for headers. When checking with screen reader (NVDA, JAWS),
> > both the "row" and "column" headers are not announced together.
>
> I think it's scope="col", not scope="column".
>
>
> I also wouldn't expect both the row and column headers to be announced at
> once. When moving vertically up/down a column, the row header should be
> announced before the content of the cell. When navigating horizontally
> left/right through a row, I'd expect the column header to be announced
> before the contents of the cell.
>
> >
> > The 'row headers' are completely skipped. Only the 'column headers'
> > are announced while navigating through table cells.
> >
>
> Do you have some example code and/or an example you can point to?
>
> > Is this a known issue? Any suggestion to fix this?
>
> I've just run a quick test using the following code, and both Jaws and
> NVDA announce the row and column headers as expected.
>
> <table>
> <tr>
> <td scope="col">Name</td><td scope="col">Fruit</td> </tr>
>
> <tr>
> <td scope="row">Alice</td><td>Apples</td>
> </tr>
>
> <tr>
> <td scope="row">Bob</td><td>Bananas</td>
> </tr>
> </table>
>
> Though I'd note that using the <th> element instead of <td scope="..."> is
> arguably a better idea.
>
> Léonie.
> >
> > Appreciate your response!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Poornima
> >
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