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RE: Electron accessibility

From: Sean Murphy (seanmmur) <seanmmur@cisco.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:54:10 +0000
To: "tink@tink.uk" <tink@tink.uk>, Markku Hakkinen <mhakkinen@acm.org>
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Léonie

I gave up on MS code View due to the reason it was created in electron. There were to many issues to make it an productive tool use for a screen reader. Instead I use Microsoft Visual Studeio community. I found this gave me the necessary support for HTML, Javascript and CSS. Also if you need to code in other languages you could. I will not say it is perfect. But a lot of the text editors that I used to love have changed so much visually, they don't work with my prefer screen reader.


Edit Plus I liked, but it doesn't support HTMl 5. That well without a lot of headache which I am not ready to do. AS I am not a full time coder. So I went on the hunt for something included it all.


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From: Léonie Watson [mailto:tink@tink.uk] 
Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2018 5:35 AM
To: Markku Hakkinen <mhakkinen@acm.org>
Cc: Sean Murphy (seanmmur) <seanmmur@cisco.com>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Electron accessibility

Thanks Mark. That's useful information. I've been talking with someone at MS about VSCode, but was just hunting for additional information to try and get my bearings.

Léonie.
On 19/01/2018 23:55, Markku Hakkinen wrote:
> Hi Leonie,
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Léonie Watson <tink@tink.uk 
> <mailto:tink@tink.uk>> wrote:
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>     On 15/01/2018 01:42, Markku Hakkinen wrote:
> 
>         Electron is a wrapper around the Chrome (Chromium) browser.  The
>         accessibility support native to the version of Chromium used to
>         build Electron is what is exposed.   Cautionary note is that
>         Electron releases typically lag several releases behind the
>         current Chrome release, meaning bugs fixed in newer releases of
>         Chrome will not be present in the “current” Electron release.
> 
> 
>     It seems from what you've said, that Electron can be accessible -
>     with the caveat that there may be some lag before issues are
>     resolved there. Does that mean Electron in and of itself is capable
>     of a reasonable degree of accessibility?
> 
> 
> I am personally aware of, designed for, and tested accessible 
> applications built on Electron, and hence well aware of the lag issues.
> Also, I need to add that our electron-based applications are currently 
> executing under Windows.  We have not yet tested on other platforms 
> (e.g., MacOS) so YMMV on other platforms.  With the caveat of Windows, 
> and coding the web application accessibly, then, yes, Electron is 
> capable of accessible applications in that Google Chrome allows for same.
> 
> 
>     I ask because I'm trying (and failing) to find a screen reader
>     accessible code editor. Atom and VS Code are both Electron based,
>     and neither seems usefully accessible. Much the same seems to be
>     true of Slack, another Electron based tool I'd very much like to be
>     usable with a screen reader.
> 
> 
> I would have to suggest that VS Code has failings in implementation. I 
> wouldn't point my finger at Electron, directly, without testing.
> 
> 
>     As an aside, I know VS Code has an accessibility mode, but when it's
>     enabled you lose basic features like word wrapping and line
>     numbering, and I can't write code without those two basic features!
> 
> 
> Yes, they have that mode.  Perhaps this is best pursued with the VS 
> Code support group?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>     Léonie.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         Mark
> 
>         On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 7:13 PM Sean Murphy (seanmmur)
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