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Re: WCAG 2.1.3 Date Picker

From: Phuong Hoang <PhuongHoang1182@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:34:17 +0000
To: Sailesh Panchang <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>
CC: "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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Will that please the UI designers?
One more Sailesh and thanks for your input

The SC requires 'all functionality' meaning ' all processes and outcomes achievable through user action' to be keyboard-accessible; not 'some functionality' or 'whatever functionality the tester considers sufficient'.

The Clear Button (X) in the text input fields in Internet Explorer cannot achievable using Keyboard interface. So to I simply take it out with the CSS below or find a way to make it work with Keyboard interface for SC 2.1.1?

.someinput::-ms-clear {z
     display: none;
}

1. IF you need to delete the text like said accessibility in the input field and if one have limitations of body movement. It will take 1 second to push the deleted button that will take 13 second to delete all the text. (Let not counting this 2 - Ctrl + A + try the new text or hold down the backspace).

2. For the mouse users and giving a tab in to the clear button + Enter to delete all the text in this way, this person will take 2 second.

So the processes and outcomes here is 13 second vs 2 second

The Clear Button (X) have no keyboard-accessible will it fail SC here?

Regards

Phuong Hoang

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From: Sailesh Panchang <sailesh.panchang@deque.com>
Sent: Monday, 21 August 2017 11:34:02 PM
To: Phuong Hoang
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: WCAG 2.1.3 Date Picker

One does not have to go as far as to check against SC 2.1.3 if it
fails SC 2.1.1 as it supposedly does in this case.
The SC requires 'all functionality' meaning ' all processes  and
outcomes achievable through user action' to be keyboard-accessible;
not 'some functionality' or 'whatever functionality the tester
considers sufficient'.
I strongly echo Jonathan's reasoning. The calendar is there on the
screen for a reason. If not, make it non mouse operable  and not
interactive at all or simply take it out. Will that please the UI
designers?
Thanks and best wishes,

On 8/21/17, Phuong Hoang <PhuongHoang1182@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks all for your inputs. If information can achieve using a mouse and
> cannot achieve using a keyboard interface then it a fail SC2.1.3 (AAA) in my
> view.
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> Regards
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> Phuong Hoang
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> From: Fathauer, Laura <fathauer@ohio.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:49 PM
> To: Mark Weiler; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: WCAG 2.1.3 Date Picker
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> Material seems to incorporate the similar things as ngAria. I haven¡¯t found
> specific accessibility documentation on AngularJS Material.  Ng Aria
> primarily works for your basic roles, and states.
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> https://docs.angularjs.org/api/ngAria

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> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:45 AM
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> Subject: Re: WCAG 2.1.3 Date Picker
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> Are there AngularJS UI frameworks that assert to be WCAG 2.0 conformant?
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> On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:03 AM, Sean Murphy (seanmmur)
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> Question, when does common sense come into play? As I come across date
> pickers and I try pressing the first letter of the month for argument to see
> if it jumps to it or not. As I treat them like edit combo or lisviews. Of
> course this only works for PDekstop Web clients.
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> From: Userite [mailto:richard@userite.com]
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> Subject: Re: WCAG 2.1.3 Date Picker
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> I have come across some examples of the date picker and discovered that you
> can focus on the ¡°Enter Date¡± input and simply type the date, using the
> correct format.  In fact this approach is faster and easier than going
> through the calendar.  The problem is that there are no instructions about
> this available on the screen.  If there were instructions available, and the
> input was focusable, then I would probably consider this as accessible.
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> Richard
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> From: Phuong Hoang<mailto:PhuongHoang1182@hotmail.com>
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:35 AM
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> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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> Subject: WCAG 2.1.3 Date Picker
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> HI all..
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> This is angularjs Date Picker pass SC 2.1.3 Keyboard (No Exception)?
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> You cannot get in to the month of the Date Picker using a Keyboard
> interface.
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> ¡¡ [cid:image003.png@01D305EC.16D9A760] [cid:image004.png@01D305EC.16D9A760]
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> https://material.angularjs.org/latest/demo/datepicker

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Sailesh Panchang
Principal Accessibility Consultant
Deque Systems Inc
Phone 703-225-0380 ext 105
Mobile: 571-344-1765
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