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RE: Keyboard interaction in menus

From: Sean Murphy (seanmmur) <seanmmur@cisco.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 04:35:54 +0000
To: Ajay Sharma <ajaysharma89003@gmail.com>, "Gunderson, Jon R" <jongund@illinois.edu>
CC: "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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The ARIA standards are just leverging existing standards for menu and other UI control functionality that have been around in the UI for decaids. So it isn't a " users would love to have", rather a must to have. UI designers should already understand these basic concepts with keyboard navigation. But they don't which is very disturbing.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ajay Sharma [mailto:ajaysharma89003@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 21 August 2017 3:28 AM
To: Gunderson, Jon R <jongund@illinois.edu>
Cc: Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Keyboard interaction in menus

Thanks Jon, based on the draft, I am getting inclined to mark it as violation, as this is what users would love to have.


> On 20-Aug-2017, at 1:45 AM, Gunderson, Jon R <jongund@illinois.edu> wrote:
> Ajay,
> You should be aware of the ARIA 1.1 Authoring Practices on Menus and menubars that include fully reviewed and working ARIA enabled examples:
> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#menu
> Jon
> On 8/19/17, 1:33 PM, "Ajay Sharma" <ajaysharma89003@gmail.com> wrote:
>    Thanks Shrini and Patrick for your inputs, I guess, in case of web we are good to go unless basic tab order and appropriate roles are defined, anyways, it would really help if this could be  standardized down to a single univrrsal implementation.
>    Regards,
>    Ajay
>>> On 19-Aug-2017, at 7:04 PM, Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2017 11:57, Ajay Sharma wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>> I am seeking for help to understand the impact of issue with the keyboard interaction  in the menus on the web.
>>> As mentioned at https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_menus, it is required that the menus on the menu bar should be navigable by using arrow keys, but this is not in practice for majority of websites, so is it a violation of 2.1.1, or it is more of a usability issue?
>>> As a matter of fact it would be good to have similar keyboard interactionfor the widgets on desktop and as well as on the  web, please share your thoughts.
>> This is often a point of contention, so expect to get answers falling on both sides of the fence. But there is an argument that "proper" ARIA menus are most appropriate for web applications, where they mimic/replicate the behavior and functionality of native applications, whereas for general web navigation, it's possibly more appropriate to stick to regular "list of links" type approaches.
>> See https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/menus/
>> P
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