Re: Videos - do we need both captions and transcripts?

actually to support everyone - you need scripts - not just transcripts.

transcripts of the audio mixed with full descriptions of the video.  

Very hard to do

Gregg C Vanderheiden
greggvan@umd.edu



> On Feb 2, 2017, at 10:39 PM, Nimisha Joshi <nimisha.joshi@northwestern.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina,
>  
> What you said about the use of transcripts for speed reading makes sense and I don’t think I need to see the meeting minutes.  
>  
> Thanks for a quick response and I appreciate your advice.
>  
> Best,
> Nimisha
>  
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net <mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
> Date: Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 3:33 PM
> To: Nimisha Joshi <nimisha.joshi@northwestern.edu <mailto:nimisha.joshi@northwestern.edu>>
> Cc: "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: Videos - do we need both captions and transcripts?
>  
> In order to support as many users as possible, yes.
>  
> You might also note that transcripts are sometimes referenced by persons
> without disabilities who want to speed read through content--or to skim
> the content. This use case came up during our discussions in the HTML
> Working Group prior to the release of HTML 5.0. Let me know if you need
> a reference to those minutes, and I'll dig them up for you. This use
> case isn't noted in the Media Accessibility User Requirements (MAUR)
> note simply because it's not an accessibility use case in the
> traditional sense.
>  
> Janina
>  
> Nimisha Joshi writes:
> Going by this, we DO need transcripts for all audio video content, right?
> Thanks,
> Nimisha
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net <mailto:janina@rednote.net>>
> Date: Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 2:41 PM
> To: Nimisha Joshi <nimisha.joshi@northwestern.edu <mailto:nimisha.joshi@northwestern.edu>>
> Cc: "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: Videos - do we need both captions and transcripts?
> It's generally expected that people requiring captions aren't hearing
> audio content, but are seing visual content.
> Therefore, transcript is specified to support those who neither see nor
> hear:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_TR_media-2Daccessibility-2Dreqs_-23transcripts&d=CwIBAw&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=8bgih609kFGNd3KTkZvS4SD8-_hY6QELODIGc63wIuE&m=uPDIur_EoYK7Iw8mT-FYh7DSzJhX4R9KHvIkQZdqkho&s=wBzST77c7L3EZGQmvUrI3IPpNEDHSEHVHBWou1ygaZc&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_TR_media-2Daccessibility-2Dreqs_-23transcripts&d=CwIBAw&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=8bgih609kFGNd3KTkZvS4SD8-_hY6QELODIGc63wIuE&m=uPDIur_EoYK7Iw8mT-FYh7DSzJhX4R9KHvIkQZdqkho&s=wBzST77c7L3EZGQmvUrI3IPpNEDHSEHVHBWou1ygaZc&e=>
> Nimisha Joshi writes:
> Hello All,
> I have a super elementary question, what is the difference between prerecorded and synchronized video?  From what I can gather, it seems there is a level of interaction with synchronized video, like online tutorials or eLearning. Am I close?
> Transcript are for prerecorded (according to this Section 508 checklist item 2.2<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.hhs.gov_web_section-2D508_making-2Dfiles-2Daccessible_checklist_html_index.html-3Flanguage-3Des&d=CwIBAw&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=8bgih609kFGNd3KTkZvS4SD8-_hY6QELODIGc63wIuE&m=uPDIur_EoYK7Iw8mT-FYh7DSzJhX4R9KHvIkQZdqkho&s=c8imw3CZmw7WrZWTSwzLD855OszQZMMg0s5Q7PGxQNw&e=> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.hhs.gov_web_section-2D508_making-2Dfiles-2Daccessible_checklist_html_index.html-3Flanguage-3Des&d=CwIBAw&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=8bgih609kFGNd3KTkZvS4SD8-_hY6QELODIGc63wIuE&m=uPDIur_EoYK7Iw8mT-FYh7DSzJhX4R9KHvIkQZdqkho&s=c8imw3CZmw7WrZWTSwzLD855OszQZMMg0s5Q7PGxQNw&e=%3e>) and captions are for synchronized (checklist item 2.3).
> If this is irrelevant and you advise using captions for all video content (except for a silent movie, of course) or if we need both captions and transcripts?
> Thank you again for all your advice.
> Thanks,
> NJ
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