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Re: WCAG Next Possible Models

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:14:43 +0000
To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>, "'Macintosh, Kristy (OMAFRA)'" <Kristy.Macintosh@ontario.ca>, "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
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Are best practices normative like WCAG 2.0 or non-normative like techniques?


Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility and Standards


From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com<mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>>
Date: Monday, April 11, 2016 at 10:06
To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>, "'Macintosh, Kristy (OMAFRA)'" <Kristy.Macintosh@ontario.ca<mailto:Kristy.Macintosh@ontario.ca>>, WAI-IG <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>>
Subject: RE: WCAG Next Possible Models

Although… If I am hearing Kristy clearly (and her desire for a platform-specific “version” is not the first to surface on this list) – I think one of the things this discussion is also surfacing is the need for what David MacDonald refers to as “Best Practices”, and possibly we need Best Practice documents based on technology or platform.

Kristy, would that solve your more immediate need? Andrew, is that something the WCAG WG might look to create?

Thanks for all the input folks!


From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 9:03 AM
To: Macintosh, Kristy (OMAFRA) <Kristy.Macintosh@ontario.ca<mailto:Kristy.Macintosh@ontario.ca>>; John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com<mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Subject: Re: WCAG Next Possible Models


Nothing that the group does will make what you need to do to meet AODA change.  If we did publish a 2.1, Ontario is still targeting 2.0 AA.  At some point, Ontario might decide to update to WCAG 2.1 (or perhaps it waits until a “3.0” standard is available) and then you would be affected, but we are not seeking to (nor are we able to) change what WCAG 2.0 says.

WCAG 2.0 says what it says and that won’t change.  We can publish an updated version or publish extensions, but those would need to be addressed in new or updated policies and legislation just like WCAG 2.0 was.


Andrew Kirkpatrick
Group Product Manager, Accessibility and Standards


From: "Macintosh, Kristy (OMAFRA)" <Kristy.Macintosh@ontario.ca<mailto:Kristy.Macintosh@ontario.ca>>
Date: Monday, April 11, 2016 at 09:13
To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com<mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>>, WAI-IG <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>>
Subject: RE: WCAG Next Possible Models
Resent-From: WAI-IG <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>>
Resent-Date: Monday, April 11, 2016 at 09:14


I am in support of option: WCAG 2.0 plus extensions by technology or platform.

I work for the Government of Ontario and as of this past January (2016) we are required by the AODA regulation (https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/110191#BK15) to make all our public facing web content comply to WCAG 2.0 Level AA guidelines. A significant change to the guidelines could have a huge impact on the work we have already done.

A part of our online content is online learning courses (eLearning) and they must also be complaint to WCAG Level AA which is not a straight forward process. These guidelines apply very different to eLearning than to a website or electronic document. I emailed out to the group list a few weeks ago looking for anyone else that was trying to work through defining how WCAG applies to actual eLearning courses and unfortunately there is not a lot of information out there so we are working through developing this. I think that the guidelines would best be served if they are kept mostly as is but had an eLearning extension that developers of online learning can use to ensure that they are meeting guidelines for online learning courses.


From: John Foliot [mailto:john.foliot@deque.com]
Sent: April-08-16 12:36 PM
To: WCAG; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>; 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: WCAG Next Possible Models

[Please share freely]
The WCAG Working Group is looking for public feedback and comment on the creation of extensions to WCAG 2.0. Your input is being solicited today and comments should be forwarded to the WAI IG Mailing list with the subject line: WCAG Next Possible Models. Background information and more details on how to comment follow.
Earlier in March, a discussion started off at the W3C on what WCAG.next should look like. That initial discussion has actually forked into two related discussion, the differentiator being a question of time.
The first discussion revolves around a big-picture major revision of WCAG. This discussion is looking at what the next generation of accessibility guidance should look like, and it incorporates thoughts around integrating UAAG 2.0 and ATAG 2.0 into a more integrated approach. This is an exciting idea, and it is envisioned that this will be a 3 to 5 year undertaking (perhaps longer).
Slightly more pressing however is the fact that there are a number of Task Forces at the W3C that are looking at building ‘extensions’ to WCAG 2.0, to provide additional guidance (including possible new Success Criteria, Understanding and Techniques documents) around topics such as Mobile accessibility, Low Vision concerns, and addressing the needs of those with Cognitive disabilities. Some of this effort is becoming fairly mature, and so the second discussion is around what are we going to do with all of this guidance and content. The content coming from the Task Forces is nearing completion, and it is badly needed today. I think most can agree that we cannot wait another 3 to 5 years for a major “refresh” of WCAG 2.0., and the Working Group has been chartered to create extensions to WCAG 2.0 in this interim period.
The WCAG Working Group are now looking at what then, exactly, will WCAG 2.0 extensions look like?
So far, discussion has surface 4 potential “strawman” possibilities, which can be found at: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_Next_Possible_Models

We have not ruled out other possible models however, and so there still exists the possibility of yet a 5th , 6th , or more possible strawman proposal(s). Critical to the final decision however is that we also ensure broad public comment and input in an effort to ensure we have the best possible model moving forward.
Which is the purpose of this email.
If you use, or are impacted by the use of, WCAG 2.0 we want to hear your thoughts. The goal is to gather as much feedback as possible over the next 2 or 3 weeks so that an informed decision can be made. This is your opportunity to contribute to that discussion. Please note that at this time nothing is committed one way or the other, and there exists the possibility that unanimity may never surface, but every effort is being made to ensure that stakeholders have an opportunity to speak up.
If you would like to comment on this activity, please review the possible models already brought forward at https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_Next_Possible_Models.

·        What are the Pros? The Cons?

·        Do you have any other comments to add?

·        Do you have a preference?

·        Do you have another potential model not yet contemplated?
All of these questions are in scope, and we’re excited to hear everyone’s thoughts on this topic.
To ensure we can get as broad a community feedback as possible, we are using the WAI IG Mailing list at w3c-wai-ig@w3.org<http://mailto:w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> with the Subject Line: WCAG Next Possible Models. This public mailing list is open to all to participate in, once you have signed up to be a member of that list. Information on how to join the WAI-IG mailing list can be found at https://www.w3.org/WAI/IG/#mailinglist

Please note that we are also currently looking for a possible means of collecting anonymous feedback as well, and if/when we have that ability we will further advise.
Our goal is to gather this feedback over the next 2 or 3 weeks, and present out findings to the Working Group with a proposed recommendation on how to move forward. While comments and feedback to the WCAG Working Group are always welcome, we hope to wrap this up fairly quickly, and so if you wish to comment you are urged to do so soon.
This is an unique opportunity to gather community feedback, and we look forward to hearing your thoughts.
John Foliot
Principal Accessibility Strategist
Austin, TX

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