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RE: Accessible bootstrapping is now available using semantic HTML markup.

From: Alford, Lynn <lynn.alford@jcu.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 01:29:29 +0000
To: Bryan Garaventa <bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com>, "Kornbrot, Diana" <d.e.kornbrot@herts.ac.uk>
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Basically the framework in a ready to use form.

From: Bryan Garaventa [mailto:bryan.garaventa@whatsock.com]
Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 8:36 AM
To: Kornbrot, Diana
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Accessible bootstrapping is now available using semantic HTML markup.

I'm sorry about that, I didn't think of it.

Is there a better term for what I'm describing than bootstrapping?

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From: Kornbrot, Diana<mailto:d.e.kornbrot@herts.ac.uk>
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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: Accessible bootstrapping is now available using semantic HTML markup.

Bootstrapping is obviously a term that has been widely used for completely different purposes
In statistics bootstrapping is also a widely accepted term for estimating variability using resampling methods
Not much we can do about it!. Its good to know what the html community mean by bootstrapping - thanks Bryan & David. Now have 3 completely different meanings for same term

On 25/11/2012 10:45, "David Woolley" <forums@david-woolley.me.uk<mailto:forums@david-woolley.me.uk>> wrote:
Bryan Garaventa wrote:
> Hello, please forgive the cross-posting, this actually is quite
> important. I'll be brief.

Cross-posting doesn't work well on mailing lists.  It is likely to
result in replies being rejected on some of them,
> If you don't know what bootstrapping is, I'm referring to the use of
> semantic HTML markup to configure advanced controls, which are then

I find the name bootstrapping confusing.  Bootstrapping is a well
established term in computer science referring to using a small program
loaded with a simple mechanism, to load the final larger program.  I
think it is stretching that definition too much to use if for what you

(I also suspect it is the cause of the increasing number of pages that
produce one or more "script is taking too long" messages, when I use a
slow machine, and sometimes even on a modern netbook.  I usually  notice
no degradation when I stop the script.)

> Recently, Google's Vice President Vinton G. Cerf asked "Why Is
> Accessibility So Hard?"
> <http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2012/11/156585-why-is-accessibility-so-hard/fulltext>

That article limits itself to physical limitations.  Mental limitations,
including those experienced by elderly first time computer users with
normal mental function for their age, require a small number of standard
control types represented in consistent ways (as a rough rule of thumb,
you should be able to describe how to use and recognize them on a single
hand written page).  I rather suspect that "advanced controls" means
anything but that!

David Woolley
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