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Re: Access Keys as a means to passing 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks

From: David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:32:06 -0400
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To: "w3c-wai-ig@w3.org" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
When using voiceover, there is no combination to fire the access keys.  I can use a key combo to get the info about the access key though.  There is no "alt" key on the mac but if you are using windows o a mac, you can map one or use the option key as a substitute.

Thanks!


On Oct 17, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> wrote:

Apologies. I was under the impression that you were a sighted keyboard only user.  That said, you can still activate the control using a keystroke combination on Mac. I believe it is Alt + Ctrl + S for submit. I am not sure if V O will announce the state once you select it. Please let me know your findings.


Thanks,
Devarshi Pant



On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:03 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net> wrote:
this does nothing with voiceover.

On Oct 16, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> wrote:

Hold down the control key and the caret symbol (hat) to reveal the hot
keys. This symbol can be found above number 6.

On 10/16/12, David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net> wrote:
> This is a nice example and you are correct that help pages are not good but
> the example does not work on my mac, unless I'm doing something rong, when I
> press control, nothing happens.  On the other hand, it should be noted that
> the help tip can be gotten but I don't have an alt key to fire the access
> keys.
>
> On Oct 16, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Devarshi Pant <devarshipant@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think help guides to get information on access keys should be discouraged.
> There are smarter ways to get this information, for example, Social Security
> Administrationís (SSA) best practices library recommends the use of a
> control key to reveal hot keys. Go to the page at
> http://www.ssa.gov/accessibility/bpl/bps/forms/buttons/default.htm -- Press
> the control key to get the information.
> -Devarshi
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 2:48 AM, Vivienne CONWAY <v.conway@ecu.edu.au>
> wrote:
> Hi David
>
> Thanks for that.
>
> I find that when access keys are used, they are often very well-hidden and
> only people 'in the know' realize they are even there.  As you said,
> normally they are described in a separate page/link.  Putting the link to
> the description and purpose of the keys is often more cluttered than just
> using well-placed skip links.  At least with skip links most people know how
> to use them and their purpose is clear.  If only we could get people to have
> them always visible - yes, I know it clutters the top.  However I have seen
> it done very successfully so I just think we need to be more open to having
> the accessibility features visible - demonstrates our desire to make things
> easier for people.
>
> By the way, I'm still not sure why headings satisfy this criterion.  If you
> rely on the heading, it then requires subjective analysis to determine if
> the headings are sufficient to enable people to satisfactorily skip the
> repeated content.The headings only help screen reader users, not people who
> rely on tab control or have low vision.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Vivienne L. Conway, B.IT(Hons), MACS CT, AALIA(cs)
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> Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012 2:41 PM
> To: Vivienne CONWAY
> Cc: Harry Loots; Userite; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Access Keys as a means to passing 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks
>
> Vivienne CONWAY wrote:
>
>>
>> Question - do you believe that the provision of access keys would
>> produce a 'pass' grade for 2.4.1?
>
> For an inside page of a site which people have to log in to, and
> normally access frequently, maybe.  For a page that could be reached by
> search engines, by unfamiliar users, you would need to explain the
> access key at the top of the page, and that would probably be more
> intrusive to the design than a skip link.
>
> On an earlier point, if a user has to follow a special link to find
> accessibility features, they are only going to do so if they are
> desperate to access the site, or they are going to be  frequent user.
> Normally these are done as a sop to accessibility with the hope that
> they won't disrupt the design.  Often they just tell you how to use the
> general accessibility features of mainstream browsers.
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Thanks,
Devarshi Pant

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