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Re: SV: SV: SV: in-page text-to-speech

From: Brian Cragun <cragun@us.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:47:37 -0500
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
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Thank you, Morten,

This is very helpful.

Regards, 

Brian





Brian Cragun
IBM AbilityLab Consultant
IBM Master Inventor
IBM Research 
Tel: 720-663-2801
E-mail: cragun@us.ibm.com 


 



















From:   "Morten Tollefsen" <morten@medialt.no>
To:     Brian Cragun/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS, 
Cc:     "Adam Cooper" <cooperad@bigpond.com>, "Harry Loots" 
<harry.loots@ieee.org>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, 
<w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Date:   08/16/2012 02:43 AM
Subject:        SV: SV: SV: in-page text-to-speech



Hi!

I got the following answer from Rudolph Brynn (Standards Norway):

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1)  These are required for "public institutions".  I assume that means 
government, including schools.  Obviously it is not required but 
recommended for business.  Does the requirement extend to any other 
entities? 
 
It is primarily for public institutions, meaning on government, county and 
municipal levels. But also recommendations for private enterprises, I 
would assume in particular those in touch with the public authorities in 
public procurement contracts. 

2)  I understand these to be requirements.   What happens if the 
requirements are not met.  Are there laws associated with the 
requirements?  Or are these more like guidelines? 
 
They are guidelines for public authorities, not legal acts nor standards. 
They have no legal effect as Sweden has not an accessibility act like 
Norway but follow the EU regulations on public procurements, which 
requires design for all to be part of planning/technical specifications 
concerning tenders. Only the Swedish standardisation body, SIS may publish 
regular standards, be they national (SS), European (EN) or international 
(ISO). As in Norway. 


3)  Can you help me understand what the difference is between Priority 1 
and Priority 2?  Is Priority 1 mandatory, and Priority 2 optional?   
 
I understand it is a matter of importance, you should definitely implement 
the Priority 1, then P2 and then P3 - but refer to the other answers. 


4)  Further when I look at the requirement for TTS on R11, it uses the 
(translated word) Recommendation for TTS, instead of requirement.  Can you 
help me understand how mandatory the TTS requirement is? 
 
Like the other parts of the guideline, a recommendation. Only if a Swedish 
legal act refers to the guidelines/standards related to them, we talk of 
requirements. 
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Priorities: What Rudolph writes above is probably correct. The only 
explanation I've found is:
"Prioritet 1 till 3. Riktlinjerna har getts en prioritet från 1 till 3. Om 
ni behöver prioritera börja med de riktlinjer som har prioritet 1. 
Därefter kan riktlinjerna med prioritet 2 och 3 hanteras."
My translation:
Priority 1 to 3 The guidelines have been given priorities from 1 to 3. If 
you have to prioritize start with the priority 1 guidelines and thereafter 
continue with the priority 2 and 3 guidelines.

- Morten

Fra: Brian Cragun [mailto:cragun@us.ibm.com] 
Sendt: 15. august 2012 15:30
Til: Morten Tollefsen
Kopi: Adam Cooper; Harry Loots; Patrick H. Lauke; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Emne: Re: SV: SV: in-page text-to-speech

Morton, 

Thanks for the links.  With Google Translate, (and some very rusty Danish 
skills) I think I understand most of this.  May I ask some clarifying 
questions?  (To help me understand detail that is not quite coming through 
the translation. ) 

1)  These are required for "public institutions".  I assume that means 
government, including schools.  Obviously it is not required but 
recommended for business.  Does the requirement extend to any other 
entities? 

2)  I understand these to be requirements.   What happens if the 
requirements are not met.  Are there laws associated with the 
requirements?  Or are these more like guidelines? 

3)  Can you help me understand what the difference is between Priority 1 
and Priority 2?  Is Priority 1 mandatory, and Priority 2 optional?   

4)  Further when I look at the requirement for TTS on R11, it uses the 
(translated word) Recommendation for TTS, instead of requirement.  Can you 
help me understand how mandatory the TTS requirement is? 
Regards, 

Brian 

________________________________________

Brian Cragun
IBM AbilityLab Consultant
IBM Master Inventor
IBM Research 
Tel: 720-663-2801
E-mail: cragun@us.ibm.com 

  






















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From:        "Morten Tollefsen" <morten@medialt.no> 
To:        Brian Cragun/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS, 
Cc:        "Adam Cooper" <cooperad@bigpond.com>, "Harry Loots" 
<harry.loots@ieee.org>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, 
<w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> 
Date:        08/15/2012 03:22 AM 
Subject:        SV: SV: in-page text-to-speech 
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Hi, Brian! 
  
Of course, here it is: 
http://www.webbriktlinjer.se/ 
As far as I have been able to figure out this is a standard. 
  
I’ve commented a little bit, but this is in Norwegian and is therefore 
probably not very interesting/useful: 
http://medialt.no/vgledningen-fr-webbutveckling/1175.aspx 
  
BR: Morten Tollefsen 
www.medialt.no, +47 908 99 305 
  
Fra: Brian Cragun [mailto:cragun@us.ibm.com] 
Sendt: 14. august 2012 15:45
Til: Morten Tollefsen
Kopi: Adam Cooper; Harry Loots; Patrick H. Lauke; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Emne: Re: SV: in-page text-to-speech 
  
Morten, 

Can you please provide a reference to the Swedish standard you speak of? 
 And, is it just a recommendation or a standard? 
Regards, 

Brian 
  

________________________________________

Brian Cragun
IBM AbilityLab Consultant
IBM Master Inventor
IBM Research 
Tel: 720-663-2801
E-mail: cragun@us.ibm.com 

  






















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From:        "Morten Tollefsen" <morten@medialt.no> 
To:        "Harry Loots" <harry.loots@ieee.org>, "Adam Cooper" 
<cooperad@bigpond.com>, 
Cc:        "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>, 
<w3c-wai-ig@w3.org> 
Date:        08/14/2012 05:19 AM 
Subject:        SV: in-page text-to-speech 
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Hi, Harry! 
 
I totally agree. 
 
In some new Swedish guidelines for web developments (only public 
authorities have to follow these) accessibility is one of the categories. 
The first guideline say: follow WCAG 2. The other 43 accessibility 
guidelines cover forms, languages, links and other things. In one of the 
guidelines it is stated that talking websites are required! I was quite 
surprised when I read this! If I counted correctly, 33 of the 44 
guidelines in the accessibility section are also found under usability☺! 
 
Morten 





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