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Re: Using ARIA in HTML

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 12:06:40 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+VmXJK-ewMT4mTOPQ-5wwp=fQ=nGZnf407U=k-ZfYUqaHw@mail.gmail.com>
To: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
Cc: WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Hi James,
will digest your email in more detail later, but wanted to point out where
the 'default' terminolgy comes from:
HTML5 defines default ARIA semantics:
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/wai-aria.html#wai-aria


regards
Stevef


On 4 July 2012 11:15, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com> wrote:

>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 3:00 AM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi James, thanks!
> >
> > I have rephrased the header to:
> >
> > 'Should authors explicitly define Default ARIA semantics? '
>
> The word "default" is part of what I find confusing here. It's obviously
> not the default, or there would be no need to define it. All
> implementations have a *default* semantic for those elements, but sometimes
> that default is not according to spec. I think what you trying to convey
> here is "Should authors explicitly define the ARIA semantic that
> should-be-but-is-not-actually the default?" Obviously you don't want a
> title that long, but I still think your meaning is unclear with your
> current phrasing.
>
> > >Does a NO here mean it doesn't use the default semantics? If so, what
> does that even mean?
> >
> > the meaning is defined in the table legend (above table)
> >        NO = the default semantics are already implemented by browsers,
> so the default implied role, state or property associated with an element
> or attribute does not need to be used. There are notes indicating under
> certain circumstances default semantics are useful.
> >        N/A = there are no default ARIA semantics, but there may well be
> accessibility API semantics implemented by the browser.
> >        Yes = the default semantics are not implemented across browsers,
> so the default implied role, state, property, or suggested semantics (if no
> ARIA default) may be used.
>
> I see now my phrasing in the form of a question was rather unclear.
> Apologies.
>
> I understood what NO meant in this context but was trying to convey the
> confusion that other readers might have when reading this table, based on
> that easily misconstrued header title.
>
>
> > hope that is clearer now.
> >
> > regards
> > Stevef
> >
> >
> > On 4 July 2012 10:33, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:29 AM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I have published a draft of a practical guide for developers:
> >> Using ARIA in HTML
> >> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/aria-unofficial/raw-file/tip/index.html
> >>
> >> feedback welcome!
> >
> > I think this heading is a little confusing:
> > Use default ARIA semantics?
> >
> > Does a NO here mean it doesn't use the default semantics? If so, what
> does that even mean? Perhaps you meant to call it "Use additional ARIA
> semantics" or something to that effect.
> >
> > I might instead phrase it:
> > Should authors explicitly define ARIA attributes and/or role?
> >
> > You might note *why* you said YES on form. I assume it's because of the
> ARIA landmark benefit. Ditto for other landmarks like nav/navigation, etc.
> >
> > Looks good. Thanks for putting this together.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > with regards
> >
> > Steve Faulkner
> > Technical Director - TPG
> >
> > www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com |
> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner
> > HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives -
> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/
> > Web Accessibility Toolbar -
> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
> >
>
>


-- 
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com |
www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner
HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives -
dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/
Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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